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#68689 - 2002-07-29 07:16 PM Board effectiveness
Howard Bullock Offline
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Based on the membership growth of this board, I think we can conclude that the use of KiXtart is extremely widespread and growing. I also have noticed what appears to be a steady decline in new posts. (MCA, do the board stats confirm this trend?)

Since the more people are using the product and we get the occasional question about UDF use, I have concluded that we regulars have almost worked ourselves out of the daily KiXtart support job. The FAQ section and UDF library probably have been more successful than anyone would have thought. And combined with the extensive posts to the message sections, this board is quite the reference library. (MCA, are there any page stats that could provide info regarding UDF, FAQ, and message read hits vs. new posts?)
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#68690 - 2002-07-29 07:25 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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hmmm, noticed the same thing myself, maybe that will give us (the community) more free time to work on new Development projects ... like this KSMS that Jens just posted ... and other worthy projects ...

[ 29 July 2002, 19:25: Message edited by: Shawn ]

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#68691 - 2002-07-29 07:30 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Howard,
It is also my feeling that there has been a reduction of late in the overall number of posts. I think however, that the caliber has gone up. Fewer are the posts that have been answered a thousand times, and we are seeing more advanced topics and concepts discussed.

I don't think we've worked ourselves out a job. We've simply replaced some mundane tasks with more challenging ones. We can still do better. I know that keeping the FAQ read-only severely limits the number of new contributions but I would like to once again extend an invitation for others to author some content. I will of course, give the author credit.
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#68692 - 2002-07-29 08:01 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Shawn,

Did you go see AP3? I heard it sucked... shame.

Anyway, if you're really bored (and you're not working on KixForms [Smile] I have a great project proposal. I've been working on a Kix version of Altiris PC Transplant. The USMT that M$ provides free sucks. The XP Wizard only brings other platforms to XP. And I just can't bear paying $15-20 a head to copy files and registry entries.

Seems like prime target for kix. This unfortunately is also comprized of several scripts which makes sharing a pain in the ass. [Mad] Please see my follow up post or poll on this issue.
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#68693 - 2002-07-29 08:09 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Jim,

No - I haven't seen AP3, but from what I hear (overheard on commuter train) ... its great - in fact, its better than AP1 & AP2 ... VERY SHAGADELIC MAN !!!

Im pretty much dedicated to Kixforms right now and probably for rest of year [Wink] Kixforms TNG is "almost" ready for release ... if your interested, Ill shoot you over the current ALPHA version ... im still working on the IMAGING side of things (pictures,icons,cursors,etc) ... got the combobox and mouseicon thingy going ... let me know if you want to try it out... but not ready for primetime (quite) yet.

-Shawn

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#68694 - 2002-07-29 08:32 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Gimme, gimme, gimme!!! Anyone working on the docs yet?

Your positive note made my day. (My brother-in-law told me it wasn't really good.) Now I HAVE to go see it! Groovy baby!
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#68695 - 2002-07-29 08:41 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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k - shoot me an email at:

shawn.tassie@cgi.com

and I'll forward you the alpha build ... it has a couple of scripts included, but might want to check-out the FONT.KIX script that demonstrates some of the newer features ... (trackbars,cursors,comboboxes...) ...

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#68696 - 2002-07-29 08:49 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear,

Howard, the amount of members is still growing. In our opinion the amount of old
questions is becoming in a steady decline, which has to deal with the great amount of
interesting topics on the FAQ forum and the well documented UDFs on UDFs forums.

The board statistics doesn't confirm your trend. Only in some months an enormous amount
of new topics were entering. Also a new trend is that some topics gets an enormous
amount of reactions.
Also we think that everybody likes that it isn't necessary always to answer the same
(beginner) questions. Now the goeroes can use their time to new capabilities of
kixtart or the board (f.e. kixforms & bbchecker).

It is really a pity, that it isn't possible to see read hits. We have put a question
about it on the "Infopop" board.

Les, we shouldn't forget that a great amount of people are enjoying there holidays.
Previous year we got also such quiet period. Currently each month there are above
400 new entries per month.
At the beginning we new about 1.5 years for 2500 new entries. This year we need less
than a half year for it.
Indeed we see also a higher level of topic contents. The newbies will point to the
FAQ and UDFs first, which prevents answering the same question again and
again and the possible mistypings can be fixed with f.e. kixstrip and all kind
of other tools.

greetings.
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#68697 - 2002-07-29 09:41 PM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear,

Some additional info about UBB:

This weekend a new release of UBB.classic see the daylight. Release 6.3.1
Interesting links are

UBB.Classic release notes
UBB.Classic features notes
Infopop comparison

The second URL shows
- enable or turn off HTML in messages per forum
- rebuild of forum stat files/search index/member stat files

The latest URL shows what we are missing
- attachments
- advanced search
- content ratings
- reply notifications for all members. this board version replies to Topic Starter only.

greetings.
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#68698 - 2002-07-30 12:03 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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My general feeling is both the quality & quantity of the board has gone way up since I frequented it about a year ago. I am quite blown away by the jump upwards. I don't think we need to worry about losing all the clients.

Also, since we nominated new moderators, I have noticed our moderators feel obligated to respond immediately to all questions, which leaves the rest of us with nothing to do.
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#68699 - 2002-07-30 01:07 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear Jack,

Indeed at the same time the goeroes are working mostly at the same problem. The bene-
fits for the topic starters: he can choose the best solution for his environment.

The impact of the current moderators makes this board more valuable. They give newbie
tips about entering their requests and reformat subject and contents in a more readable
format. A better subject description influences also the speed and the way a request
will be solved. More readable by using [code] and [/code] makes script for comment
easier to read.

The current discussion deals also about reducing 'unwanted' work for the board.
greetings.
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#68700 - 2002-07-30 01:49 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear,
Could you translate "goeroes". By that do you mean old people "geriatrics"?
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#68701 - 2002-07-30 03:20 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear Les,

Yes, we recognize how it can be interpretated. A better word is experts.
greetings.
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#68702 - 2002-07-30 03:47 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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MCA,

I think Les is just trying to have fun and joke with you.

See this link...

Will the REAL GuRu please stand up

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#68703 - 2002-07-30 04:08 AM Re: Board effectiveness
Les Offline
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EH DOC! I didn't see "GURU" in that honest! Really, "geriatrics" was the only thing that came to mind. As for fun, yeah, I'm all for fun but not to make fun of MCA.

Damn, using words like 'honest' and 'really'... now you've got me talking like a used-car salesman.
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#68704 - 2002-07-30 04:50 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear,

The way you can interpretate words can be very different. Mostly it is also based on the
words in your own language.
A nice example is the word stamp: a stamp for a letter or a trading stamp from the shop.

A lot of people in our country loves so much trading stamps, that when we are talking
about stamps we are meaning trading stamps.
We are always using the word postage stamps for letters.

Same thing we discover with the France language: "timbre" and "timbre-poste".

Also you will find differences between Belgium and the Neterlands in using words. Netherland
is using more words from other languages instead of creating an own one. Belgium is very creative
in it.
greetings.

btw: the dictionary link is a very good one. mostly we are looking in the Oxford or Webster
dictionaries.

[ 30 July 2002, 04:52: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#68705 - 2002-07-31 12:31 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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Dear Howard,

We get following answer back from Infopop about the availibility
of read hits:

There are no topic view count features available in UBB.classic. That
feature is available in all of our other message board products, how-
ever (UBB.threads, UBB.x, and OpenTopic). We cannot include that fea-
ture in UBB.classic simply because the architecture of the applica-
tion will not support it (that is a fancy way of saying that because
UBB.classic is a flat-file system, any boards that are of even mode-
rate size would suffer in terms of performance if we added this fea-
ture).

Ted O'Neill
CEO, Infopop Corporation


greetings.
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#68706 - 2002-07-31 12:56 AM Re: Board effectiveness
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MCA, thanks for following up.
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