#98726 - 2003-02-24 05:55 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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NTDOC
Administrator
Registered: 2000-07-28
Posts: 11625
Loc: CA
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Sure,
I can moderate it... I'll be like some Managers. They Manage even though they don't have experience in the field they Manage people in. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#98729 - 2003-02-24 06:06 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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NTDOC
Administrator
Registered: 2000-07-28
Posts: 11625
Loc: CA
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Love ya Jooel ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif)
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#98730 - 2003-02-24 06:08 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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Kdyer
KiX Supporter
Registered: 2001-01-03
Posts: 6241
Loc: Tigard, OR
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#98731 - 2003-02-24 05:02 PM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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Jack Lothian
MM club member
Registered: 1999-10-22
Posts: 1169
Loc: Ottawa,Ontario, Canada
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Les,
I agree with all your points but somehow I feel this is not the best way to appoint moderators. The last few processes for appointing moderators & changing forums were not ideal but is your strategy an improvement?
Lately, I have been wondering if this board is becoming too insular. Maybe we might use this opening to move some moderators up from the script or starters forum & introduce some new blood. Our current moderators are some of the best on the web but new blood is necessary for any long term survival.
Jpols has been very active lately & he would probably be an excellent moderator. Also, if Glenn Barnas keeps contributing at his current level for a few more months, he might be a good moderator for starters. There are several other high quality members who might be a good addition to the moderator pool.
Don't get me wrong, I agree DrillSergeant should be replaced & NTDOC is probably the ideal choice as moderator for this forum but on the other hand we should always be on the look out for new recruits.
I think there is a bigger picture here & maybe we are forgetting it.
For what it's worth, my suggestion is to ask which of the 4 moderators in Starters & Scripts would like a change & we use the resulting opening to bring in someone new. One out of many possibilities is NTDOC goes to UDF, Howard moves to Scripts & the current group of moderators chooses a new replacement in Starters.
[ 24. February 2003, 17:11: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ]
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#98733 - 2003-02-24 08:09 PM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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Jack Lothian
MM club member
Registered: 1999-10-22
Posts: 1169
Loc: Ottawa,Ontario, Canada
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Les,
I disagree with you on the role & importance of moderators. I believe moderators should be active participants in their forum & in the community in general. They should display leadership & stand out in the community. To some extent, they define the board. In my opinion, any moderator who doesn’t love & participate in his forum should step aside for someone who does. Being a moderator isn’t a title or special badge, it is a special & important job in a volunteer organization. I don't think my views on this issue are unique. I have noticed that most successful boards have moderators who are active in their forums. I think it adds dynamism to the forum.
Like in all organization, a hierarchy exists in this board & the moderators to some extent are the management. In order to maintain long term participation we need to keep recruiting to the management ranks. Additionally, all the key contributors should feel they have a chance to rise up in the organization. Closing ranks & locking out newcomers is not a good idea in my opinion.
I never truly liked all our doubling up of moderators; this is not typical behavior for a board such as ours but I recognized at the time that our pool of potential moderators was limited & thus doubling up was a necessity. I think we should work towards eliminating this practice, not entrenching it. Your suggestion reduces the number of moderators & thus concentrates administrative power in an even smaller group of hands. So in answer to your question, I have no problem with NTDOC taking over in the UDF forum but I do have a serious problem with a reduction in the number of moderators. DrillSergeant has obviously moved on to other endeavors & thus should be replaced. Now it is time to invite someone new into the moderator group to replace him.
You want to change the recruitment process, fine, I am all for that. I never liked either of the 2 previous processes either. I gather most boards create a board management forum that essentially undertakes this process internally. Seems to me, such a forum would reduce the complexity, if that is what you want.
[ 24. February 2003, 20:21: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ]
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#98734 - 2003-02-25 05:16 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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MCA
KiX Supporter
Registered: 2000-04-28
Posts: 5152
Loc: Netherlands, EU
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Dear,
Some feedback from us
- did someone mail DrillSergeant about it?
- the effort for the UDF forum isn't very big. Only the moderator
must more accurate. Accurate before forum becomes rabbish. Impor-
tant is the subject description, the way an UDF is submitted and
the way we are discussing an UDF. - Indeed we must prevent that this board is becoming too insular,
but it is in our opinion nearly related to moderatorship. More the
way we are acting as members can be reason for that. - It isn't strictly necessary that new blood will introduce as
moderator. Important elements for a moderator. He has a good histo-
ry record, he is a member of TOP25 and he is of course willing to
play a moderator rule. Also it can be necessary to read a lot of
posts, which can require too much time for a specific forum. To pre-
vent problems with the amount of posts required for a TOP25 position
we can use also minimal amount of posts based on a good recent record
history.
At least this person shouldn't be a moderator at this moment, when
enough TOP25 members are willing to do it.
See our BB MM Club about complex history tracking.
See our BB Specials page about 100-posters list and their last
day of posting. - introducing some new blood on heavy changing forums isn't a good
suggestion. Some forums doesn't requires much work and attention. No
much new topic aren't created on those forums.
See our BB History statistics about forum developments. - As millennium guy and based on history record jpols is a good
candidate to become a moderator. We think also about Richard Howard. - We should always be on the look out for new recruits. First thought
handles about moderators with more than one forum. Secondly thought
what will be the effects, when a forum doesn't need much adjustment.
Third those forums are in very good hands by regular posters.
At least we should forget what was the goal in the past. Relieve Henri
from an enormous amount of work. Prevent that forums becomes a big
chaos, because Henri doesn't have much time to do it and because the
post-creator was the only person who could change his topic.
In simple words to keep a forum in order.
In our opinion about reasons for changing by moderators are
- current moderator doesn't have enough time anymore.
- current moderator want to move to another forum. other forum doesn't cost much time.
- current moderator simply want to stop with it.
- current moderator doesn't act as moderator. f.e. deleting all kind of posts and topics
forum not related. btw at the moment we doesn't see such persons on the board.
In short terms: there must be a vacancy for that forum.
Impose a shuffle works in our opinion contra productive. - always there will be a moment, that a member/moderator want to go with
retruiment. Currently all moderators are less than one year on duty.
Only Shawn is moderator since January 2002. Most of the other
since summer 2002.
The question is now:
- is there a vacancy on UDF forum. First we must try to get a reaction from
DrillSergeant. - yes, there is a vacancy. are there moderators who want to move to it?
- yes, there is possible a new vacancy.
- yes, there is really a vacancy. which can be candidate for it? a person
who match the important elements for a moderator.
Of course Jack, we must invite first someone new into the moderator
group to replace him or to take place on another forum.
greetings.
btw: we are available to create a detailed history record of possible
candidates for moderator task. Of course it is only information, but
for us it isn't decisive factor here.
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#98738 - 2003-02-25 09:35 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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Richard H.
Administrator
Registered: 2000-01-24
Posts: 4946
Loc: Leatherhead, Surrey, UK
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MCA, thanks for the vote, but I'll have to remove myself from the running.
I only access the board from work, and the normal daily level of browsing and answering queries already takes quite a bit of time.
Add the maintenance of KiXcrypt and the off-board KiXcrypt email queries I deal with and it already takes up a large chunk of my day.
It beats working though
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#98740 - 2003-02-26 03:51 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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MCA
KiX Supporter
Registered: 2000-04-28
Posts: 5152
Loc: Netherlands, EU
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Dear,
As additional reaction
- it isn't important to be the driving force behind a specific forum. it is
more important that you are willing to do some additional work for the
board to prevent chaos on forum(s).
Of course it is a benefit, when the moderator is a driving force, is reading
the stuff and is willing to support anybody in finding her or his way on
the board. The oldies know how things are going. - Richard makes his position clear. In the past it doesn't cost much time
to read f.e. all new topics in one week. Currently it can cost a great a-
mount of time. Time who isn't available for everybody.
Simply see our BB History about monthly growth. Simply going some
weeks on holidays can be a catastrophic. After returning for our latest
summer vacation we had to deal with about 1500 new topics and many time
larger amount of posts.
Also we shouldn't forget that most people are also reachable by mail.
The required time for mail isn't visible for board members. Mostly it
results f.e. in a new version of popular tool. Popular tool like
kixcrypt. - Lonkero, we have read the mail. Now we must only know, who with
fairly post counter have interest to become moderator.
We suggest that candidates send me a mail. We suggest that entries must
be received by March 5th.
Based on the amount of reactions by you members the board must have the
choice to make a selection f.e. by a polled.
After that we can send Henri a mail about the result.
btw: we have also another suggestion for the UDF forum. Why not introduce
three moderators for this forum, because this forum a quick and firm
moderation link LLigetfa said.
The amount of moderation of UDF forum isn't big in our opinion. More
the quick and firm action is important.
greetings.
(our reaction 4300 to the board)
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#98741 - 2003-02-26 04:17 AM
Re: New moderator for UDF
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Radimus
Moderator
Registered: 2000-01-06
Posts: 5187
Loc: Tampa, FL
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I think Doc would be a perfect choice for a few reasons...
He has good code habits and improving skill.
He is a long time contributor and currently an active member of the board.
He is on the West Coast of the US while I'm on the East Coast, increasing the times where one of us would be available in some capacity (few and far between)... with that in mind, if there was some thought of a 3rd moderator, I'd suggest any of our Vikings, Germans, or Aussies that meet the basic criteria. (We don't have many Asian/African continental members)
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