BUT i also agree with Jack, MCA and Shawn, don't lay to big a burden on Martijn

A possible solution could be if Henri can open the UDF-forum for more than one moderator, more vollanteers
besides Martijn ?

The rules for a public UDF is there now, how to declare a header, and the declaration of public and private
variables.

If the rules for public UDF's is followed, any of theese moderators can then publish the new UDF in the
UDF-forum

Erik

Having used boards since before M$ only had 2 9600 lines available (as I'm sure some of you have also) I agree with all of you. There all fine points.

Generally speaking a moderator (for most boards) is only there to MOVE not DELETE topics to other forums if they do not apply to the current forum and notify the user/s that the post was moved because if was off topic, or to censor offensive language. The latter I don't really recall seeing here on KiXtart.

My vote (opinion) is to allow everyone full access to this forum, Martin can review and move (not delete) off topic threads and notify posters when they are off topic and ask/remind them not to go off topic in this forum.

I heavily agree with Shawn and MCA in that many, many good/great ideas come from some threads. Preventing or editing can and will remove the creative flow.

I vote
1. NO EDITING by moderators (except to remove vulgarity perhaps) typing mistakes or copy/paste mistakes can ruin the code.
2. Move off topic threads to another forum
3. Agree upon and post general (preferred) naming standards (even within M$ the code jockeys don't always use the same conventions)
4. Moderators should remind and ask posters not to go off topic in this forum.
5. Moderators should also remind posters to attempt to use a name and description of the UDF in the topic title, and if way off they should change the topic title (if UBB allows that). That way searching can be achieved easier.

I think most of us remember what it was like to lose the URL for old posts.

6. I also vote for NEVER DELETE a post. Who are we/they/anyone to say a post is not of value to someone else. Move OLD posts to an archive folder if needed, but have a link to that post that now points to the new location.

I don't know if its possible or if Henri would even want or allow it, but I would not mind having a zip file of all the posts on this board, or if someone else could MIRROR his site. If this site were to go down or Henri to lose interest, we would lose a very great resource.

Let's all get along now and start this ball rolling. Too many Chefs spoil the soup. or so I've heard.

[ 20 November 2001: Message edited by: NTDOC ]

See the beta and suggestion for 'how many times is going something wrong'.
In those cases the (experience) members advise another forum and the discussion stops.
greetings.

btw: it becomes a nice discussion. we think Henri will love it too.

I have reversed my position. I think that a lot of good UDFs may not make it to our library because the author may not request it be posted here. They may become lost in the "scripts" section, quickly buried by the shear volume. A UDF could conceivably stay in limbo in "scripts", the thinking being that it is not worthy or needs just a little more work.

I (and probably most of you) have noticed that in the 12 days since its debut, not one UDF has made its way to our library, but several have been posted to "scripts". Are they voting with their feet?

This forum has thrived on loose rules, not unlike the loose program rules of KiX itself. So, I say open it up. If users follow the guidelines then great. If not, then we'll have something less, but at least we'll have something.

It is (or will be) what we make it. Perhaps self control, peer pressure, and consistent moderation, will keep our library from becoming diluted. Let's start with one simple rule, that for a thread to start, it must include a UDF.

So Martijn, please open it up, and EVERYONE, POST YOUR UDF!

What makes the scripts forum difficult to use is it is such a mad mixture. I find it really hard to find scripts in it, even when I know they exist. The scripts forum has become a general forum for discussing problems not a forum for discussing scripts. I think we should try to put in a rule that says a posting must start with a sample UDF or it gets moved out to the scripts forum immediately. If we don't keep out the general questions, it will just become an alternative scripts forum. If this is the objective why don't we just forget the UDF forum and continue using the scripts forum. I think it is easier to find one needle in one hay stack than to find one needle in two hay stacks.

Initially, I felt this forum was a positive step forward but in the last week it has taken a wrong turn. Les is right we may have missed the boat. Are all those UDFs in the scripts forum going to make it into the UDF forum? I suspect not.

[ 20 November 2001: Message edited by: JackLothian ]

-Shawn

at least last week there was one post more in this forum (was a frequently asked question posted by a new member here)
Ok, I answered it with the hint that this is not the correct place to post ... and it seems to happen that the post vanished while i replied !
So what happened ???
was it the new member facing the facts and deletes his own post ?
Or was it you Martijn ?
Or is there some ScriptMagic running in the background ????

J.

hmmm ... yes , i concur with Ron's opinion

[ 21 November 2001: Message edited by: jpols ]

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http://kixtart.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002699
which handles about translation of LF to CRLF in HTML pages. Also
it is possible to extract the code sections for HTML pages.

It is possible to combine all HTML pages saved to one file by a simple
COPY statement before processing it by our UBBCode tool.

Tool UbbCode.com (= section TOOLs) on our site

http://home.wanadoo.nl/scripting

Possible calls:

• UbbCode ubbpage.htm ubbpag.txt
  translate LF to CRLF
  
• UbbCode ubbpage.htm ubbpag.txt /code
  extract code sections
  

greetings.

I hope I'm not being to forward but imho this forum is getting a bit sloppy...

I was thinking of asking Henry to ask to make me an interim moderator until martijn comes back, just to remove some rogue replies and posts and maybe, if I can find the time, put all the posts in the same format. (When we finally can agree on one format )

I also started to write an CHM file for all the UDF's. The wave of UDF's has slowed down a bit so I think it could be manageable. I think it would help me if could cut-n-paste the original post.

Let me know what you think, guys!

Henri,

I vote to allow Rogier to moderate this forum.