Well I am pleased to see that this topic has generated some debate after all. Les, I wasn't really being a sour puss and I appreciate that Ron started a new topic, however my light hearted disappointment, as marked by the [Razz] emoticon, was due to the fact that his post had drawn attention away from mine [Wink]

Anyway, I am pleased to see that you, Jens and Shawn appreciate that this is a worthwhile initiative. What is interesting is that your definition of a KiXtart programmer fits me perfectly in that I have had no formal training. Furthermore, I only found out about HN 6 months ago, however I am very keen to change my bad habits and adopt it as soon as a standard has been defined - maybe I'm unusual to do that.

Rod.

[ 14. October 2002, 18:35: Message edited by: rclarke ]