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#93832 - 2002-09-26 12:22 AM Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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We're trying to change the start menu icon size at installation to 'show small icons', but we're still not succesfull. It should also be possible to do this via a COM object, anybody an idea ?

I already searched the forum, the posts there are not a solution. We want it automated, users aren't allowed to change those settings.

[ 25. September 2002, 12:27: Message edited by: Schuliebug ]
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#93833 - 2002-09-26 12:31 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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automated, so it would be more like policy.
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#93834 - 2002-09-26 11:38 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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No policy setting, sorry, looked there already [Frown] Thought maybe someone automated this with Explorer COM object programming [Wink]

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#93835 - 2002-09-27 12:05 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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Do you mean that the setting is not controlled by a registry entry?

If the setting is a registry entry then it can be controlled by policy. You simply need to create a new policy template file, or fudge one of the existing ones.

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#93836 - 2002-09-27 05:17 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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I know, i know, i already created some policy templates to control user software installation, and that works fine. I just can't find the keys which are related to the item 'use small icons' in the start menu. I used the following to detect the registry keys/values:

  • dumped the registry before changing, changed the menu, rebooted, check if small, dumped the registry and compared. Nothing really related showed up.
  • i used the regmon tool (www.sysinternals.com) to see what registry keys were changed: again nothing relevant showed up.
  • i used Wise (same as WinInstall) to create s snapshot of the changed made. I used the same sequence as mentioned in 1), bu instead of dumping the registry a made a pre- and postsnapshot. Wise than creates an .msi or .wsi in which the detected changes are packed. Again nothing.
The end of the story: still no clue which keys are responsible for the small icons [Frown]
So i thought (optimistic ?) that maybe someone deep into COM scripting would know what to do....

[ 27. September 2002, 17:34: Message edited by: Schuliebug ]
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#93837 - 2002-09-27 06:37 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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I remember having to look at this exact same thing a number of years ago. At the time, went hunting in the registry and your right ... its not in the registry. The only thing (if memory serves) that did the trick was that TweakUI program from the reskit ... maybe it changes some kinda INI or INF file somewhere ?
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#93838 - 2002-09-27 06:42 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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eh?
I have always had thought that tweakUI is registry hacker-tool...

anyway, schulie... you said that nothing seemed to be relevant in the changes... no, always change is relevant.

so, if there is any changes in the HKCU, post them all.
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#93839 - 2002-09-27 06:45 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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I remember scracthing my head as well ... TweakUI uses some kind magic ... really !
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#93840 - 2002-09-27 06:55 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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Hmm. the only thing I can think of is to create the correct setting, save the user.dat and copy it over on the new system. (Make the change and copy the profile for new systems..)

Just a wild guess on how to do this.

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#93841 - 2002-09-27 09:03 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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if I get enough energy this night, I'll crack this... but who knows...

my drinks don't always bring energy...
 
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#93842 - 2002-09-29 11:38 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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Lonkero, any success yet (with your drinks or with a possible solution ??) [Smile] I could post all the registry settings here, but it would take some time to get them out Wise Package Studio...

I know about the solution M$ gives: make the changes in a default user profile and use that profile when creating new user profiles. But, if that works, the setting should be found somewhere in the registry (cause you're using the default reg file) ??

TweakUI should do the trick, but i'm convinced it's somewhere in the registry!! When i took a snapshot of the system where i made the changes, i also looked at files changed. No file changed at al (no .ini or .inf files [Confused] )

Still, i prefer a registry hack or COM solution..
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#93843 - 2002-09-29 01:31 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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schulie, no time nor energy...

wrong drinks or something.

anyway, it surely is registry stuff and it surely is under HKEY_CURRENT_USER.

just watching simpson but maybe later today I get enough power to switch on my laptop and check the registry...
 
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#93844 - 2002-09-29 04:00 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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Schuliebug: I don't know how you did your findings, but I used regmon and caught the needed registry setting in under 30 seconds...
code:
4.67996044	explorer.exe:2044	SetValue	HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\Start_LargeMFUIcons	SUCCESS	0x1	

You just need to set this one to 0 and either force explorer to reload the settings or logoff/logon. For the former, you can check the MSFT site: they'll surely have an easy way to force explorer to reload settings... [Smile]
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#93845 - 2002-09-29 04:06 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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fernando what system?

I got the setting by removing the key:
code:
HKCU\Sotfware\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Discardable\PostSetup\Component Categories\{00021492-0000-0000-C000-000000000046}

WHY the html has been disabled???????????

there is no way anymore to set those long lines printed in smaller font...

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#93846 - 2002-09-29 04:49 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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On my system... [Smile]

Save the following lines to something.reg and run it; log-off then on again and you'll get small icons; if you want large ones, change the last 0 to a 1.

code:
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced]
"Start_LargeMFUIcons"=dword:00000000

This works like a charm, (except for the need to logoff/on to see the changes!) and I'm running Windows XP Professional w/ SP1.
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#93847 - 2002-09-29 04:54 PM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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yeah... I quess it should work and is easier to enable disable... udf?

the setting I touch is the underlying one which you set with that of yours.

easier than re-logon is to kill explorer and start it again.

just remember, if you do not force it to die, it will mostlikely ask for logoff...
 
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#93848 - 2002-09-30 09:43 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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Nice icon, but it seems it works only with XP? (i tested this on W2K SP3, and no change on start menu). I also saw that the key on my personal XP system is Start_LargeIcons, DWord, 0 ??

I've checked the Wise Package Studio for the key mentioned by Fernando and no, it's not detected there [Frown]
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#93849 - 2002-09-30 09:51 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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schulie, if you check my post you see what works just fine with w2k sp3.
don't know about other systems...
 
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#93850 - 2002-09-30 10:01 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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The key you mentioned is not in the registry [Wink] I have 00021493 and 00021494, i'll try to delete those two and see what happens [Smile]
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#93851 - 2002-09-30 10:04 AM Re: Switching start menu size to 'show small icons'
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no, you should not do that.

if one does not have "show small icons" set, the 42 will be there.
when the menu is normal.

but when the small icons are there, there is no 42 key.

 
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