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#81005 - 2002-06-27 02:56 PM KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Hi,

I have networks with win 9x workstations running off Samba on a Linux server and I think it would be good to have this service available on it.

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#81006 - 2002-06-27 07:37 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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have too...
well, don't need this, as don't use rpc anyway.

easier could be to ask to remove the win9x machines.

seriously, it's nothing but little script on linux side.
would just need info what kix queries from rpc-service to build similar info servant on linux-end.
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#81007 - 2002-06-27 07:51 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Darren,
perhaps you should elaborate on just what functionality from the KXRPC you would like to see.
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#81008 - 2002-06-27 08:57 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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off-topic-alarm!

darren, do you use posix-acl on your filesystem?
I've been strugling with complex access rights and somehow got it working.

still, it wants to have the unix-rights on it and samba-technical does not have ability to respond my windows specific needs.

anyway and for other users without linux-servers, it's the cehapest and easiest way to implement high performance server for usual nt jobs. with stability of raid and stuff it's even better (many times. faster more stable) than usual nt-kinda servers.
only problem got this far is that complex acl's are not similar.
either can't copy between samba and nt disks keep the rights as they were.

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#81009 - 2002-06-28 09:48 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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If Ruud has any white papers on the protocol he uses for the KiX RPC service I'm sure a *nix emulator wouldn't be too tricky to cobble together - it could be included as "contributed" software, either with KiXtart or with Samba.
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#81010 - 2002-06-29 12:54 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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ridge, you are right.
to get backend to samba... not hard but to documentation how to use etc...
would be easiest to add this stuff to kix.

actually, your reply sounded like you're ready to go for it [Big Grin]

if so, good luck!
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#81011 - 2002-07-08 01:00 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Hi,

Removing W9x pc's

This is a primary school so an upgrade to the os would be not possible due to funding.

Functionality I would like

I have a few calls to other kix scripts, things for groups and users which keep giving out errors saying they can't find the kxrpc service, so I map drives etc by user.

posix-acl

I use normal security within samba in combination with general linux file securuty chmod etc.
From this maual

I think Richard is on the right lines, sure it is only a few lines of C.

Darren

[ 08 July 2002, 13:05: Message edited by: Darren ]
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#81012 - 2002-07-08 01:04 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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darren, do you have any nt domain controller?
this way you could use rpc from there as quickest help...
otherwise will need to wait for richards code and he has been pretty quiet lately...

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#81013 - 2002-07-08 01:08 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Hi,

No, The only one I have in the school is on the other other side of a firewalled router.

I have looked in to this in the past...

Darren
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#81014 - 2002-07-08 05:48 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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If you do have a spare low-end computer, then do a stripped down installation of Windows NT Server as a BDC and just have the KiXtart RPC service running. Then instruct Kixtart to use this specific server as lookup server for the KiXtart RPC service. You can still use the Samba setup for everything else.
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#81015 - 2002-07-09 11:29 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Hi

That would realy be missing the point [Eek!] , the reason for having a samba server is to not to have to pay for the CALS and the NT server licence.

Technicaly doing this would mean purchasing a licence for the thing...

Darren [Smile]
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#81016 - 2002-07-10 12:06 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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darren, right.

have you asked directly from ruud about giving info about the service.
or porting it to linux?

if we could just have our hands on the source code...

I mean, I could do that service but without any info I would go for large headache...

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#81017 - 2002-07-10 11:53 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Yes, I agree

How do you go about contacting Ruud?

Darren

[ 10 July 2002, 12:46: Message edited by: Darren ]
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#81018 - 2002-07-10 02:07 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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from manual:
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If you have feedback or questions regarding KiXtart, please contact kixtart2001@hotmail.com or ruudv@microsoft.com
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#81019 - 2002-07-26 04:20 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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popup.
ruud, is it possible to get info or even source of the rpc functionality...

well, the things you get there, with what kind of structure and what port is queried and so on...
not too much to get somehow working version for linux.

also, with source the same info can be got.

porting to linux shouldn't be as hard issue as vise versa.
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#81020 - 2002-08-02 08:16 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Dear,

On the WWW we find an article which handles about Kixtart & Linux.

quote:


Login scripts using Kixtart


One of the things former Novell network administrators miss when they migrate to
NT servers is the ability to run login scripts of the sort that Netware makes a-
vailable. The original design philosophy behind NT server envisaged that login
scripts would be dispensed with altogether (roaming profiles and system policies
were supposed to do the same job in a different way).

NT servers (and Samba emulating NT under Linux) are capable of transferring to
each client that logs in a batch file to be run on the local machine as part of
the login process, but that in itself is not enough to achieve Novell-style func-
tionality, because the things that a DOS-style batch file can do when running
under Win 9x on a client are extremely limited. (The command line interpreters
of NT4 workstation and NT 2K Professional are slightly more powerful, and such
clients can in any case run any valid WIN32 executable file as a "login script",
but this is of little use on networks that have to serve the needs of Win9x
machines). This gap has been admirably filled by the Kixtart system, originally
developed within Microsoft Belgium and shipped as an unsupported supplement with
the Resource Kits for NT server. Though not an open source product, the binaries
are freely available for download and use on Microsoft clients without additional
license fee from http://www.kixtart.org/ a site which offers many example scripts,
FAQ's and other support materials. The program is regularly updated to maintain
compatability with newer versions of Miscrosoft servers and clients.

Kixtart works very well indeed alongside roaming profiles and system policies to
give the administrator of a Samba-based network extensive and flexible control
over the configuration of machines and the facilities available to users. A Kix-
tart script delivered from the server but running on the workstation can do vir-
tually anything the administrator wished to have done at login time, except that
under Win9x nothing in any login script can change settings in the current user's
registry, because this registry is initialised after the login script has run
(more about this, and the crucial difference it makes between Win9x and NT client
login procedures, can be found on the profiles and policies page).


URL-link kixtart and Linux

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#81021 - 2002-08-03 12:51 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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mca, didn't find anything about rpc in there...
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#81022 - 2002-08-02 10:19 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Dear,

Possible that requestor test it in the Samba emulating NT under Linux environment.
Writer is making a point about win9x and NTx.

Mostly you doesn't find much on the WWW which has to deal with other environments like Unix and Alpha.
greetings.
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#81023 - 2002-08-03 12:50 AM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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mca, once I got your link:
quote:
This page is still being worked on, and is at present incomplete
have you any idea who is the author of that page?

I still think that if ruud provides some info of the ports/calls used by his service it can be easily done as script or patch in samba/linux.
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#81024 - 2002-11-30 03:36 PM Re: KXRPC Service for linux Servers
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Dear,

The above link has be closed now. The owner shows now following message:
quote:

Site now closed

Thank you for your interest in a page formerly hosted on this site.
The aim of the Web site which has now closed was to provide an up-to-date account of
running a Linux-based network that was under active development in a large school.

In the three years of its deployment at the institution concerned, Linux proved its
viability as a server and network infrastructure platform and won the informed support
of the staff directly concerned with IT. Sadly, however, Senior Management aspire to-
wards a "State of the Art", i.e. wholly-Microsoft solution and view the success of
Linux in meeting the school's needs as something rather shameful. As a result, this
site could no longer remain what it set out to be, a source of insight and experience
into the daily use of Open Source software in a working school environment. It seemed
better to close it rather than have it preserved as an increasingly out-of-date (and
hence also increasingly misleading) monument to the victory of Public Relations over
technological merit.



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