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#68311 - 2002-07-15 08:47 AM BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear,

During the preparation of our new TOP25 list we have create a new main page
on our site.
It contains all kind of useful information about the "kixtart.org" site.

What contains it?
  • Kixtart FAQ = list of possible solution for most ask question by members
  • Kixtart UDF = list of available UDFs on the "kixtart.org" site. sorted by name
  • Kixtart UDF Scriptlogic = list of available UDFs on the "www.scriptlogic.com"
  • BB History = monthly status of forums of "kixtart.org" site.
  • BB Overview = nice things to know
    - 500th members
    - busiest month
    - busiest members
    - highest rankings
    - most interesting topics
    - most interesting forums
    - topic with: biggest size/most reactions/ most reactions at the same time
  • BB Specials = top50 list with URL links to related user profiles.
    user list based on list of July 1th, 2002.
    it shows also the date of last recent topic. no date means that the user
    was active this month.
    (based on an idea of NTDOC)
  • BB Top25 = the previous one. at the moment "under construction"
How to reach it: select "Statistics" from any page of our site.
By default we will show the BB Specials list.
Any comment of input is welcome.
greetings.
btw: after completion of TOP25 new format the old one will be removed.

[ 15 July 2002, 09:10: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#68312 - 2002-07-15 08:59 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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MCA - VERY COOL

Thanks for taking the time to compile a very nice set of links and information.

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#68313 - 2002-07-15 09:05 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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user with lowist rating: guests [Big Grin]

this is nice info which does not save the world but is fun to grawl around in...

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#68314 - 2002-07-15 09:06 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Thanks NTDOC,

We forget that our goal it to update those information once a month.
The biggest goal was that is must be possible to update those pages a little faster than
previous one.
Specially a situation when we find one name with two member numbers cost a great amount of time.
greetings.

btw: now get we the time to complete the kixstrip documentation this week.

[ 15 July 2002, 09:09: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#68315 - 2002-07-15 04:18 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Good work. bb-overview contains good links for newbies too.
greet.

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#68316 - 2002-07-16 02:01 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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BB Top25 now also available.
greetings.
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#68317 - 2002-07-16 04:17 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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MCA,

I like your new statistics but I have a suggested enhancement:

If you want to measure "current activity", I think ranks would be better than straight counts. Monthly activity varies greatly & ranks compensate for this fact.

Perhaps you should rank the monthly contributions of each member & then choose the median rank for each member during the last 3 or 5 months. To eliminate the introduction of newbies into the list who are active for very short periods you cound limit the results to the top 100 (or 50) contributing members. Being in the top 100 (or 50) members effectively demands a base of about 50 (or 100 for top 50) posts before you get ranked.

I believe this statistic would give a real sense of who is "currently active".

Furthermore, I believe that that when the time comes to choose new moderators, this statistic could be very helpful. All the current moderators except Martinj would be right at the top of this list. Maybe we could introduce a rule that only members in the top 25 of this list would be considered for open moderator positions. This was close to my effective rule for choosing the voting list for the 2 open forums.
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#68318 - 2002-07-16 08:29 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Thank Jack,

We agree with you that all kind of measure can be done, but first thing we must do:
  • find a nice structure with fit the way to the rest of the site. it has impact for
    all pages.
  • find a faster way of processing information.
  • implement all kind of wishes from members.
  • be accurate on possible changes of board input we are using. this month we need
    additional time to solve a strange problem with one of the member names.
Currently we are working on a way of get more information about email addresses.
The addresses are implementing in a secure way, which makes it more difficult for
virus-software to use it for unwanted things.
Other task is the creation of some graphical presentation of collected information.
About your median ranking suggestion:
  • it is important that we can collect those information always at the same moment. During
    our holidays there will be a gap.
  • "newbies" and ranking aren't a big problem. as "newbie" for TOP25 list you must have
    at least 213 entries. A year ago it was enough to have a TOP10 place.
    The TOP100 list represents only 1.82% of all members. To enter 200 entries costs without
    any dely at least three hours. For 3000 entries the time will be at least fifty hours.
  • to get a useful ranking it isn't only necessary to look at the quantity but all at
    the quality of input. sometimes members are talking about a "chat" forum.
    some members are situated in TOP50 list, but their input is very complete. An example
    of such member is Ruud van Velsen.
    by other BB software we see the possibility to see "how much user are reading your input".
    So we can get more sight in of qualities.
  • also useful is "when was the latest post period of specific member". the amount of
    "sleeping" members are decreasing all the time in our TOP25 list.
with a good graphical it much also be possible to show which members are currently active.
greetings.
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#68319 - 2002-07-16 09:25 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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mca, your hours (like the 50) makes me wonder, don't you have access to the files?

they are there and even on wintosh platform.
don't ask how I know...

anyway, as moderators have access to the files directly a shorty script on the hosting machine or via secured tunnel could decrease the info collection time to less than hour for all users.

or you have too complex script...
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#68320 - 2002-07-16 09:38 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear Lonkero,

the 50 hours is based on a delay of 1 minute between each reaction. a limitation of this
board, which nobody can bypass.
a value for reading them all and for the preparing of reactions aren't included.
mostly the server is in our situation the limitation. we can get information with a
speed of above 10 mbps.
greetings.

[ 16 July 2002, 21:46: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#68321 - 2002-07-16 10:13 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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mca, what about using mirror "server"
this way, once first time got, all info is on local site.
also later updates to the summaries can be realtime.
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#68322 - 2002-07-16 11:34 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear,

It isn't necessary to become a mirror of this site. Currently it is running in a
proper way. Only during an upgrade there are some short interruption.
Henri has store his server also on a very safe location.
greetings.
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#68323 - 2002-07-17 06:35 PM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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MCA,

You amaze me. You must work 15 hour days. Clearly, you have given this subject a lot more thought than most of the rest of us.

I can't image this board without you, keep trucking. [Smile]
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#68324 - 2002-08-01 10:00 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear,

We have create a new version of our Statistics - BB Specials page.
It shows more information now:
Current contents:
- username (+link)
- registration date
- memberstatus (we only display MODerator status. all the others are Members)ship
- member number
- votes - member-rating
- number of posts
- last date of most recent post (excluding last month)
- homepage available (+link)
- email address available (+link)
- your picture available
- send new private message is possible (+link)
- view recent posts (+link)
- email address as text (+link)

Explanation of symbols:


homepage homepage

email email address

picture your picture

send new private message send new private message

view recent posts view recent posts




see next reaction for an example. UBB reason:

We cannot process your posting, because you have exceeded
the maximum number of images allowed per post. The current
maximum is 8.
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#68325 - 2002-08-01 10:01 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Example:

MCA 20000428 MOD 732 32-5 3591 homepage email picture view recent posts scripting@wanadoo.nl


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#68326 - 2002-11-13 03:38 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear,

We have update most of our history pages.
The differences with previous version are
  • it shows now also the 5000th reactions. so we know now exactly,
    which reaction is f.e. 25.000th and 50.000th reaction.
  • it shows now "what is the best and worse period for posting your
    question". best period 15:00-17:59, worse period 06:00-08:59
  • it shows now "what is the best and worse weekday for posting
    your question". best weekday is thursday and the slowest weekday
    is sunday.
  • it shows the busiest month and day per year.
  • it shows now also information about the new forum "general
    discussions".
  • BB History has now also a BB User History page. This page
    shows
    - amount of members of "kixtart.org" board
    - amount of new topics of "kixtart.org" forums.
    - amount of active reactions of "kixtart.org" forums.
    So we see that the amount of new topics is decreasing, but the amount
    of reactions is increasing each time.
We didn't update the BB Top25 page now, because we want to present
the complete "kixtart.org" list. It is based on actual topic information.
The moment of collecting those information doesn't influence the results.
Previously we were using the information from profile page. We base your
counter on the active reactions on the forums. Deleted post will no lon-
ger influence your counter and your ranking in our TOP25 lists.
greetings.
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#68327 - 2002-11-13 06:56 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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I just scrolled down the page and started to wonder:
topic with most reactions 163,147,140...

It does not show postcount but reply count... is that the correct way?

{edit}
also highest ranking...
highest ranking: Lonkero, Shawn, MCA

are these updated as not sure if it's correct...
if it comes to amount of votes MCA is out and if it comes to score, I should be out...

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#68328 - 2002-11-13 11:22 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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Dear Lonkero,

The topic with most reactions shows indeed the latest reply count. It is based on all
reactions on specified topic. It includes also the deleted reactions for that speci-
fic topic.
Of course it can be be done also in another way.

Very important is that the method of determination is always the same. A nice example
is the "500th member" list. Baselining it now will result in another list, because
Henri has remove some members from the system.
The "5.000th reaction" list is based on latest content of all forums and on active
reactions only. Of course the list will be different, when we take stock of the re-
moved topics from f.e. faq forum but we baseline it now.

The highest ranking is based on actual status of November 1th. The second part of
BB Specials page shows the sorted list by the number of posts. The rated value
doesn't reflect your first position. Most of the members doesn't have a rate value at
all.
greetings.
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#68329 - 2002-11-13 11:26 AM Re: BB-INFO: 'home.wanadoo.nl/scripting' site contains all kind of info on 'statistics'
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oh, ranking...
thought totally different thing than it was.
ok. thanks.
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