#6681 - 2001-02-05 07:24 PM
ScriptLogic
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Manimal
Getting the hang of it
Registered: 2000-04-04
Posts: 96
Loc: Oregon City, OR. USA
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Does anyone in here use ScriptLogic? If so what do you think? Is it everything it promises to be?I've already got a solid kix setup but I'm the only one here that knows how it works. It's been "suggested" that I plug more people into the login script process but I don't really want to TRY and train my fellow monkeys how to read such "complex" code as Kix. Management, and my command-line-fearing peers, love graphical interfaces so I'm looking at ScriptlogicPro 3.0. It looks pretty neat but I thought I'd check with the Xperts and get some opinions. Thanks in advance,
Chris
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#6682 - 2001-02-05 07:59 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Paul_Berquam
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Registered: 2000-08-02
Posts: 310
Loc: Sacramento, CA USA
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Personally my stance would be, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'If it's a matter of having someone able to maintain the code, I would recommend going back through your code and cleaning it up and commenting as much as possible. Sure it may increase the size, but will limit the possibility for someone to screw it up.
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#6683 - 2001-02-05 11:15 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Manimal
Getting the hang of it
Registered: 2000-04-04
Posts: 96
Loc: Oregon City, OR. USA
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problem is I've done that - and they still don't get it. A graphical interface won't help either but at least then they can't claim commandline ignorance instead of simply admitting they are stupid.I'd still like to hear if anyone has got any "success/failure" type stories with ScriptLogic. It looks like it does a lot of cool stuff and really compliments the advanced functions of Kix.
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#6684 - 2001-02-07 10:45 AM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Anonymous
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Stress to your bosses that if a person can't read AND understand the script that they have no place fiddling with it. Quite simply, if you can't deal with the code direct, and need to hide behind a GUI, you have no real hope of handling it when things go wrong. More to the point, you will greatly increase the odds of something going wrong.This applies to any kind of scripting or programming and Kix scripts are (relatively speaking) very elementary, even if sometimes things don't quite work as they're supposed to. There are only a rather small number of commands and functions. The power comes from putting them together the right way and of course that only comes with proper understanding. The key word here is understanding.
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#6685 - 2001-02-13 01:47 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Anonymous
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I implemented Scriptlogic last year, having only batch files (NOT scripts) in place. We have 900 users. It has been an extremely worthwhile experience and has already paid us back in terms of time saved by its ease of use and speed of deployment to user desktops.
For the NT and 2000 workstations in our domain we have easily implemented sercurity and locked desktops via Scriptlogic.
Finally, and importantly, they are tops at after sales & support
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#6686 - 2002-03-27 04:51 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Fuse - you state:
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Stress to your bosses that if a person can't read AND understand the script that they have no place fiddling with it. Quite simply, if you can't deal with the code direct, and need to hide behind a GUI, you have no real hope of handling it when things go wrong. More to the point, you will greatly increase the odds of something going wrong.
You, and many of the members of this form are true gurus -- experts who understand KiXtart (and programming in general) very well. Just remember that not everyone is...
I must point out that your statement is incorrect, and shows you know little about ScriptLogic. You must be under the incorrect assumption that ScriptLogic "Generates" KiXtart code -- in fact it does not. We have our own compiler --the main engine code does not change.
In fact, ScriptLogic can do things that KiXtart alone can only dream of -- SL can run any application with administrative rights and can perform logoff/shutdown scripting as well.
So, SL is not 'just a GUI to hide behind'. It is a turnkey powerful product that reduces the need to spend hours/days/weeks on coding logon scripts.
Manimal is considering the purchase of ScriptLogic. He is weighing out the cost of SL compared to his time and what his time costs his employer. He is also attempting to justify that ScriptLogic can do more than KiXtart alone can (natively). He also knows that SL is a commercially supported product (so if he's not sure what to do he can pick up the phone and call for help). Perhaps he won't purchase SL. Perhaps SL is not right for his needs. Perhaps he can't justify the cost. At least he considered his options and will make an educated decision.
Just because I don't know how to disassemble and reassemble the engine of my car, does that mean that I shouldn't own one becasue I won't know how to fix it when it breaks? Hardly so -- I take it to the dealer for repair (think of it as tech support).
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#6687 - 2002-03-27 05:31 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Anonymous
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I just want to say that there are very few things that I have wanted to do with Kixtart that haven't been achievable. I feel that there virtually nothing that you can't do with this language.
I came into an environment where command line was in use. I turned to Kixtart at the suggestion of our IT Director for an asset tracking project, and we have not looked back.
I just have to take issue with the statement that SL can do things that only Kixtart can only dream of. I find it to be comparable to VBScript and prefer it over script host.
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#6688 - 2002-03-27 06:31 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Radimus
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Registered: 2000-01-06
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Loc: Tampa, FL
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To add my 2 cents, (and in no way am I scriptlogic bashing), The gui frontend is very convenienet and makes building a coded script very simple.
Its turnkey features work well, and manage itself very well, I've never heard of anyone with compaints about that.
The ONLY feature that I find Scriptlogic lacking, is having a programmer's brain inside the package ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) There are sometimes issues that only a knowledgable and experienced programmer/administrator can code around. (I don't claim to be any of the above)
That being said, Scriptlogic has most of the features that most networks will require, and has some functions that go beyond what some programmers/administrators would need.
The question is would the gui interface help the administrators that are afraid of command-line or manual coding. Just because it is GUI doesn't mean it is bad or lazy. you can use SQL language to restore a blown DB, but Enterprise Manager makes it a lot easier...
Personally, i'd say that if they are afraid of the command-line, they wouldn't be good admins to begin with, they are probably afraid of the registry also. In which case you NEED a tool like Scriptlogic to be the administrator/programmer for you.
Perhaps, after some more exposure to it and a few cases where SL doesn't handle the exact customizations you may require, they may decide to get their feet wet.
So what costs more, ScriptLogic licenses or a decent network administrator
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#6690 - 2002-03-27 10:28 PM
Re: ScriptLogic
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Anonymous
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I have had scriptlogic implemented here with realy good results. Being the only person that was able to do loginscripts now everyone can do it. And if you have need of doing something a little more "custom" as I have, you can just get scriptlogic to run a custom script as well.
pretty bloody easy if you ask me ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
R4 is really good as well, although not nearly half as much challenging/fun as doing it the "ole fashioned way".
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#6691 - 2002-03-28 05:15 AM
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Anonymous
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Radimus
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The ONLY feature that I find Scriptlogic lacking, is having a programmer's brain inside the package There are sometimes issues that only a knowledgable and experienced programmer/administrator can code around. (I don't claim to be any of the above)
See that's the beautiful part. Out of the box, ScriptLogic may do 100% of what one person needs. It might do 70% of what someone else needs -- and that is why we based it on the best language around -- KiXtart!
If ScriptLogic doesn't do something you want, you can add your own KiXtart code -- you might d/l this additional code in the form of a pre-made script from the SL website, add in some code provided here, or write it yourself.
It's the best of both worlds...
Some would say that there are a few brains in the package (the developers that wrote the code over the last few years) -- We would like to think that the admin who purchases the product adds the brain. Ultimately the more brains the better...
And on another note:
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Personally, i'd say that if they are afraid of the command-line, they wouldn't be good admins to begin with, they are probably afraid of the registry also. In which case you NEED a tool like Scriptlogic to be the administrator/programmer for you.
Do you know how many MCSE's there are out there that dont know what "CD .." does?
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