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#65872 - 2002-05-30 08:23 PM IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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I have several question regarding IE and IEAK so bear with me.

1) Is each version of IEAK only compatible with the same version of IE? i.e. could I use IEAK 6 to build a package for IE 5.5 SP2 and IE 6 users?

2) If #1 above is true, why wouldn't I just use a script to make all my mods so I don't have to worry about IEAK versions? What does IEAK do that a script won't? If scripts are an option, does anyone have a list of the registry entries?

I found out the hard way that IEAK 5.5 applied to an IE 6 install causes big problems.

3) Is there anyway to back out the IEAK 5.5 changes from the IE 6 clients? or will building an IEAK 6 build and deploying it to the IE 6 clients fix the problem?

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dave
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#65873 - 2002-05-30 08:53 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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The IEAK is version-specific. Thus, you would use IEAK6 to package and distribute an IE6 installation.

Redeploying IE6 might solve the problems.
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#65874 - 2002-05-30 09:04 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Most of what IEAK does is put in place IE policies.. and configure the internet control panel, and default shortcuts...

You possibly could undo the reg mods that ieak did, but that could be more difficult than just redeploying IE6

look in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer
(and a few others)
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#65875 - 2002-05-30 09:16 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
Detlef Kalass Offline
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I just do the same stuff,
first i start with ieak, but now we do all the stuff with poledit or ou pol and some regkey we changed by loginscript.
the advantage is: you are mutch more flexible.

Detlef

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#65876 - 2002-05-30 10:08 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Word of caution: I just built a freshly sync'd up IE6 package and tried to "re-apply" it over baseline Windows XP (which already has IE6), and it corrupted my browser ... the package was basically a default run through of the admin kit (very little customization) - just branding really.

Still trying to figure-out what happened here - but after the install, every time I clicked on a link that opens up a new browser window, nothing appears, the page is blank. Can't think of a specific setting for that.

This may be unique to my instance, not sure, just a heads up really.

-Shawn

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#65877 - 2002-05-30 10:32 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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IEAKs are generally useful for upgrading, however, if it doesn't work just right you can run into big headaches.

There is a solution, albeit a difficult one.

InCtrl5 is a utility that tracks changes made when you run an install. This will allow you to actually create your own install packages and/or update specific files that need to be updates from ie5.5 to ie6 or ie6 to ie5.5. Simply create a "good" installation of ie5.5 and run inctrl5, then install ie6 over it and run inctrl5 again. This will create a record of all the changes that were made. To go backwards, you can verify that all the files that were changed to version 6 are back to version 5.5 and all the registry entries are back to the old way as well.

Here is where you can get the utility.

http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=400&a=4589,00.asp

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#65878 - 2002-05-30 11:27 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
dbeiser Offline
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Thanks for the info. all.

Brian,

I am fimiliar with programs such as InControl.

The fact is we use images for all our workstation and will never use the upgrade option of IEAK, I only use it to lock down IE.

It sounds like I might want to consider just using kix to lock it down via the registry and dump IEAK. Now all I have to do is figure out where all the registry entries are?

Can you think of any reason why I would want to stick with IEAK?
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#65879 - 2002-05-30 11:34 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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IEAK is nice... easy to follow and go through. Sure, you can do everything IEAK does through the registry (and more), but IEAK is there to make it easier. That's it's main benefit. If you don't care about that, but want to do everything manually, then you certainly can do that, but not everything is documented by Microsoft.

Brian

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#65880 - 2002-05-31 12:17 AM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Shawn, Shawn, Shawn... Should have read the docs or checked with the Doc.

IEAK6 is NOT designed for XP. XP has it's own "special" version of IE.

The problem you're experiencing was an old known issue with older versions of IE. It was fixed around 5.5 I think. Not sure right off hand how to fix the problem now in XP. Perhaps you can do a system restore before you go too much further.

Otherwise will need to do some checking on the MS KB website.

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#65881 - 2002-05-31 01:31 AM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Thanks Doc, its nice to know this is a known issue, not just my bungling of the package. I just left the XP baseline as is, applied the latest security rollups and hand-jobbed the branding. Seems to work fine. Do you make house calls ?

-Shawn

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#65882 - 2002-05-31 03:26 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
dbeiser Offline
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NTDOC,

You've got to be kidding me, am I to understand that the IEAK 6 package I just built is only good on Win2K or WinNT and will blow-up my WINXP workstations?

If that's the case I am diffently going to do this via the registry. Now we're talking three versions, 5.5, 6, and 6XP!

THANKS AGAIN MICKY SOFT!

Dave
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#65883 - 2002-05-31 03:31 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
dbeiser Offline
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Next question....

Does anyone have a list of the registry settings for IE handy?
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#65884 - 2002-05-31 03:56 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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If you search the IEAK for ADM files, within them you will find all the pertinent registry settings.
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#65885 - 2002-05-31 06:06 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Internet Explorer Client Registry Layout
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/browser/configuration/clientreg/clientregistrylayout.asp

Internet Explorer Restrictions
http://www.regedit.com/display.php/442/

Windows Registry Guide, Internet Explorer
http://www.winguides.com/registry/category.php?401

Description of Internet Explorer Security Zones Registry Entries (Q182569)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q182569

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#65886 - 2002-05-31 08:59 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
dbeiser Offline
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NTDOC,

Please confirm your statement:

"EAK6 is NOT designed for XP. XP has its own "special" version of IE."

I cannot find anything that states IEAK 6 is NOT designed for Windows XP.

On the contrary Q304872 "Unable to Install Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP" describes an issue with installing IE onto an existing XP system and the work around. This should explain Shawn's problem.

My only thought is why you would want to install IE6 onto an exiting XP system when IE6 already exists? The install is ONLY for systems you want to upgrade to IE6.

To apply the IEAK 6 modifications to existing systems (WINXP, WIN2K, or NT, etc.) you use the INS script generated by IEAK. Of course there are a few tricks to getting this to work. If anyone needs help, let me know.
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#65887 - 2002-05-31 09:16 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Yeah, i just wanted to re-apply IE6 with some customizations, branding and extra components, but was just "annoyed" when it corrupted my browser. I have since just left the current version alone, but I may take you up on that offer to share your tricks and techiques in about a month or two, when we start deployment ...

-Shawn

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#65888 - 2002-06-03 11:43 PM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Hi Dave,

Based on the fact that M$ used to include notices on their Windows update site saying that such and such updates were not for XP. It may work now, or M$ may have work arounds, but before they did not support it being installed from the web or kit. Just going by what M$ used to say. Anyways, can or do you find any documentation saying that it IS supported as an install for XP ?

October 25, 2001 XP Released
August 27, 2001 IEAK6 Released

System Requirements

486 /66 MHz processor (Pentium processor recommended)
Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me):
32 MB of RAM minimum
Full install size: 8.7 MB
Windows 2000:
32 MB of RAM minimum
Full install size: 12.0 MB
Windows 98 Second Edition:
16 MB of RAM minimum
Full install size: 12.4 MB
Windows 98:
16 MB of RAM minimum
Full install size: 11.5 MB
Windows NTŪ 4.0 Service Pack 6a and higher:
32 MB of RAM minimum
Full install size: 12.7 MB
CD-ROM drive (if installation is done from a CD-ROM)
Some components may require additional system resources not outlined above

[ 03 June 2002, 23:45: Message edited by: NTDOC ]

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#65889 - 2002-06-05 04:40 AM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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For Shawn, from Dana Eddy

Unable to Open a Link in New Window in Internet Explorer (Q281679)

Unable to Open a Link in New Window in Internet Explorer (Q281679)

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#65890 - 2002-06-05 04:47 AM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Doc,

You da man!!

I remember seeing this a time or two in my travels.. I will be sure to share with my colleagues.

Thanks again,

- Kent
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#65891 - 2002-06-05 04:50 AM Re: IEAK 6 vs. Registry Edits via Scripting?
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Thanks Kent, but I was not really the one to find it originally.

Some guy named Dana Eddy contacted Shawn, off line and gave him the Q article.

I never even thought to look for it, cause I thought Shawn already fixed it. I did find the Q article though before Shawn could tell me what it was, but that was thanks to GOOGLE not Microsoft sight. [Big Grin]

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