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#34309 - 2002-12-08 06:14 PM need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	I have got the job to move homedirs (about 50) from our old PDC to more stable new server. the problem is just that winrar is unable to restore the file rights. I think it's purely because the move is from NT to W2K. I read this: http://kixtart.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001959 but is it only solution? to use 500kB vbScript to copy the rights? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34310 - 2002-12-08 06:37 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	Jooel, we have had success using robocopy with the "/sec" option for move the file system security. Do you have permissions on the shares as well? We do not put perms on shares as this is extra managerial overhead we avoid. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#34311 - 2002-12-08 06:38 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	we do have perms on shares as normal users have file perms default as everyone full. on some special shares that is not the case though. robocopy you say, so, I go back and check what it can do. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34312 - 2002-12-08 06:45 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	I've never had to move shares between NT and 2K, but looking at SubInACL from ResKit may be of value. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#34313 - 2002-12-08 06:46 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
kholm kholm Korg Regular Registered: 2000-06-19 Posts: 714 Loc: Randers, Denmark	You can use SCopy.exe from the ressource kit to copy the files from the old location on the NT server the new location on the 2k server. I have just recently used SCopy to move files from a NT4 server to a SAN on a 2k server. All files and NTFS perms are coppied correctly. To create the shares with the correct permissions on the new server, and change the homeshare in the userprofiles you will have to make some COM-scripting. When doing a total copy SCopy is supperior to RoboCopy, because SCopy also coppies files and directories you are not allowed to see as administrator!! -Erik
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#34314 - 2002-12-08 06:52 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	couldn't find robocopy from my reskit... scopy? is it in free reskit tools? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34315 - 2002-12-08 06:57 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	I found RoboCopy on both NT4 and 2K ResKits but SCopy only on NT4 RK. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#34316 - 2002-12-08 06:59 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	have only the supplement. anyway, erik, scopy has problems too if no enough rights: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;173062& I was thinking, if the groups are local how does the copy work... had some issues with my linux server some time ago... will see. re-connecting vpn... _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34317 - 2002-12-08 07:18 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	Subinacl.exe is a program that can do wonders for you. We are in the process of migrating data from a nt4 member server to a W2K member server where security is handled via member server local groups. We robo copied the data using "/sec" to the new W2K server. The result is that the file and directory ACLs referenced the SIDs of the groups from the NT4 local groups. We created new groups on the W2K server using my GpMaint and populated them with the master domain accounts. Subinacl to replace the NT4 server SIDs with the SIDs of the W2K server groups. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#34318 - 2002-12-08 07:34 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	I suggest that NTFS permissions are better than applying permissions to shares. Is there a debate that will ensue from this statement? _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#34319 - 2002-12-08 08:18 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	what you need ntfs security for? if it's homeshare for user, only needed thing is share sec. this removes the need to run such tools as robocopy. only place where file perms are needed is on share where more variety of users have rights. like division shares. but as users are dummy as they are, they are not going to use perms on files anyway. eh, one thing for my todo list. should keep a little course on this. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34320 - 2002-12-08 09:11 PM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	That's is a great discussion for another time. I have just created a share on my workstation using the security descriptor from a share on a remote server. I have tested both NT4 to W2K Pro and W2K server to W2K Pro). If all you need to do is create shares on a new server using the security of a remote share, I can wrap this up into Win32Admin.DLL. [ 08. December 2002, 21:17: Message edited by: Howard Bullock ] _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#34321 - 2002-12-09 04:17 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	huh! did successfull move on one drive and re-wrote the robocopy command and see that I've been doing all night move without /sec bloody virgin! well, will see if anyone notices. if not will leave it be _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34322 - 2002-12-09 04:26 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Isn't there a /SECFIX option to fix that? _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#34323 - 2002-12-09 04:33 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	The "/sec" options will copy the existing file/directory permissions that existed on the source files. If they as you have said were set with "no" permissions (everyone FULL), then no harm done unless the new parent directory has some other permissions preset. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#34324 - 2002-12-09 04:37 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	yeah, most of them are with no additional sec. only the one as in share admins/user full. anyway, found that some of our big bosses have security set. wondered why one share was taking so long to copy, after 30mins only 1M and checked log: access denied I thought that it's enough that me as domain admin have rights on the parent folder. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34325 - 2002-12-09 04:39 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	les, yes. didn't bother reading manual but should have readen at least the commandline usage _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34326 - 2002-12-09 04:54 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	...but sooner or later some some dummy will... quote: but as users are dummy as they are, they are not going to use perms on files anyway. Howard is correct on this... quote: I suggest that NTFS permissions are better than applying permissions to shares. imho, the first thing to do is get rid of "everyone" whenever feasible [ 09. December 2002, 14:13: Message edited by: Waltz ] _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#34327 - 2002-12-09 05:24 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	waltzy, dunno what you are after with nested quotes as the look is not what it actually was. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#34328 - 2002-12-09 05:38 AM Re: need advice on moving users homedir
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	...i've 'un-nested' them... ...anyway, I could hardly believe that YOU were asking for advice [ 09. December 2002, 14:15: Message edited by: Waltz ] _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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