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#186311 - 2008-03-17 08:21 AM A tough one: removing IE address bar
ddady Offline
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Hi all,

I'm managing a network of 20 branches i would like to remove the address bar from the IE so the users wont be able to type down any URL's. I want them to use only the URL's i have configured through the GPO in the favorits.

Any help will be appreciated.

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#186313 - 2008-03-17 09:18 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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If you are trying to stop people accessing URLs other than a sanitised few, what you are suggesting is not sufficient on it's own.

You users could create a shortcut with the links that they wanted, could use embedded HTML links in (say) Word or Outlook, easiest of all they could simply type the URL into Windows Explorer instead of IE - I'm sure you could come up with half-a dozen other work-arounds if you thought about it for a bit.

If you want to restrict the sites accessed then you want to use something like an authenticating proxy or firewall / router rules.

If you just want to present a menu of options and you don't want to get into real control and restrictions then create an HTML page with the authorised links on and run IE in kiosk mode.

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#186314 - 2008-03-17 09:21 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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You can do this with some registry settings.
They don’t say what version they tested it on so you might want to do a test first.

http://www.petri.co.il/forums/showthread.php?t=5118
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#186316 - 2008-03-17 09:33 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: Mart]
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You could also use the Content Advisor and password protect. Only allow those entries that are on your list.

Anyone that is an Admin though and knows what they're doing can stop that.

As Richard says - you need something that has external control between the user PC and the Internet to really block stuff properly.

Even without the address bar you can also do CTRL-O or CTRL-L to open a window to type in an address.

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#186317 - 2008-03-17 10:13 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: NTDOC]
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Thnks for the responses.

Richard & NTDOC; as for the other possibilities to open new window or to type in the URL in the windows explorer, you are right but how can i say it in gentle words. 99% of the users in the branches are "dumb" as it goes for manipulating or using Windows OS. They are suffering from a great lack of using the OS, they only now what they have been taught. So in my case disabling the address bar will work quite well [i hope]:-)

Anyway, i will try MART link and the Content Advisor, worst come to worst i'll go for the FW which i know i can do it over there but it's quite complicated since in every branch there is a manager computer which should be allowed to surf all sites.

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#186318 - 2008-03-17 11:00 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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ddady, you'll be surprised at how incredibly vitalized minds your users will have when they realize something's been blocked ;\)

I guess a bunch of effective workarounds - some mentioned here - will be e-mailed around between users within 5 minutes.

Do some regressive firewalling instead. One point of configuration and a much more effective way of dealing with this than doing it on a client level.
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#186322 - 2008-03-17 04:25 PM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: masken]
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If you have users of varying levels of access. Your best option (IMHO) would be an external proxy.

ISA / Webwasher / Websense / Bluecoat just to name a few. Personally I have used Webwasher and Websense because there is no configuration on the clients at all. The Cisco branded firewalls will direct any web request to the proxy for authentication with those two brands.
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#186323 - 2008-03-17 04:31 PM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: Gargoyle]
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I know there have been a number of posts here on how to launch IE with no toolbar, addressbar, as KIOSK, etc.

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#186326 - 2008-03-17 05:58 PM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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Well if you really want to try the address bar thing, then use something like RegShot and scan the registry before/after turning it on/off and it will give you the registry key to change.

Might be able to Google find it as well, but RegShot will show you for sure.

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#186330 - 2008-03-18 07:13 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: NTDOC]
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Well, the reg configuration didn't work at all \:\( I guess Microsofot don't realy know their own OS's. According to the guide there should be some keys whicg can't be found and even though i added them it doesn't work. Could be because i have tried it on IE7 and the article refers to IE6 SP1.

So i'm guessing i will have to do it through the FW which is Check Point NG3. It will be a little hard cause i will have to gather all ip's from all computers and build a couple of rules and groups, but that's what they are paying me for, isn't?

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#186331 - 2008-03-18 09:02 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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You may want to look at Squid Proxy server as well, it is free, and runs either *nix / Windows. We have used it in the past and given some time it is a very powerfull (and feature rich) proxy server.
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#186332 - 2008-03-18 09:41 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: ddady]
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It will be a little hard cause i will have to gather all ip's from all computers and build a couple of rules and groups, but that's what they are paying me for, isn't?


There are a couple of ways to simplify your task.

Method 1 (if your firewall allows it)
  1. Set the firewall to block access to your entire subnet.
  2. Add an exception to allow everyone to access the "allowed" sites.
  3. Add an exception to allow specific hosts (managers, servers) unrestricted access


Doing it this way means that there are a lot less hosts to worry about, and when a new computer comes along it is automatically barred.

There are a lot of problems with this method though.
  • It is difficult to manage for sites using DHCP
  • If your managers need to use a machine other than their normal one they will get blocked.
  • If anyone uses your managers machine they will be allowed access.
  • Managing URLs or IPs for allowed sites on a router is difficult, and means that you have to make a change on what is usually a high profile bit of kit. In my organisation such a change hhas to wait until a pre-determined maintenance period.
  • It is very hard to determine if there are any problems, or if anyone is bypassing your restrictions, and if they are, who they are.


Method 2 - The Proxy
Most people go with the proxy method because of the problems detailed above. You can use also use a product like Websense if your firewall supports HTTP authorisation referalls (we use Websense in my organisation) but it is extremely expensive and I get the impression that it would be over-complicated in your scenario. It is also a bit kludgy in various areas.


The proxy method is very simple.
  1. Choose a proxy which will intergrate into Windows authentication (it doesn't need to be a Windows device, LDAP authentication will do)
  2. Even better is if the proxy will take pass-through authentication (aka Windows Integrated Authentication).
  3. On your firewall, deny access to all hardware *except* your servers and your proxy.
  4. On your proxy configure the users and groups who will have access, and define the sites that they will have access to.
  5. On your clients set the connection target to the proxy, either by GPO or by using one of the proxy auto-discovery techniques


Doing it this way gives you many benefits:
  • Because everyone except the firewall computer is blocked there is no way to bypass the security from the client.
  • You can now authorise / authenticate using Windows users and groups.
  • You don't need to worry about machine IP addresses changing (DHCP).
  • You now have the option of tracking Internet usage - useful for things like compliance and capacity planning.
  • The tools for updating authorisation rules are likely to be much more easy to use than changing a firewall configuration
  • You no longer change the firewall config when you need to update authorisation rules

Your firewall may be able to do some of these, but I wasn't able to find any information on an "NG3" to check.

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#186333 - 2008-03-18 10:23 AM Re: A tough one: removing IE address bar [Re: Richard H.]
ddady Offline
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Thanks for all the suggestions and the full explanation [Richard]. As for now i don't think they will allow purchasing more Hardware for the Proxy [this company was about to bankrupt and just now is starting to get back on its feet] so financially it's impossible.

I'll try the FW.

Thanks again for all comments and help.

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