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#176521 - 2007-05-26 09:25 PM Too stupid to own a computer?
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At work we have our usual inside joke remarks like BMW, BDU, ID10T (spoken as ID ten T), PEBKAC, and "did you keep the boxes". The latter refers to the urban legend recounted at http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/wordperfect.asp which tends to dismiss many other tales as also urban myths.

I have personally experienced a few of those purported myths, the "any" key, the mouse in hand like a TV remote, the photocopied (and stapled) disks.

I also witnessed a coworker on a couple of support calls.
Caller: "what does it mean when the computer says I have an invalid pair-a-meters?" (to make a long story short) turns out it was "invalid parameters".

Same user having trouble executing from the commandline.
Caller: "doesn't work"
Helpdesk: "what does it say"?
Caller: "bad command or filename"
Helpdesk: "you typed it wrong"
Caller: "I typed it *exactly* as you told me"
Helpdesk: "OK, try again and this time read the line back to me before you hit [enter]"
The line read back was not only missing the spaces but also missing the last letter of the command and some of the parms. Turned out the caller could not find the [space] key so he used the [backspace] key instead.

A user bought a WordPerfect upgrade on 5 1/4" floppies. He offered to go to her office and install it for no addition charge but she told him she was "quite competent" to install it. Later she called to complain that the second disk was bad. To make a long story short, when she got to the place in the instructions to insert disk 2, she failed to first remove disk 1. She was vehement in her own defense that "it didn't say to remove disk 1"!

To this day, we still cannot trust users to tell us the truth. When I get a call, I always check their uptime before I ask if they tried rebooting before they called. Either they lie like a rug, or they don't know what "reboot" means. We got so fed up with it that we now task schedule a reboot every weekend.

Take this board for instance... we had problems confusing the shout box with the search box so we moved search all the way up to the top. You'd think that would have been the end of search terms shouted. Supposedly, this board is frequented by sysadmins, not BDUs. What do you think of a sysadmin that cannot even navigate a search box? Would you hire one to manage your network?
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#176525 - 2007-05-27 12:27 PM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Les]
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LOL

Navigating a website seems to be tricky.
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#176539 - 2007-05-29 10:03 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Les]
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 Originally Posted By: Les
Take this board for instance... we had problems confusing the shout box with the search box so we moved search all the way up to the top. You'd think that would have been the end of search terms shouted. Supposedly, this board is frequented by sysadmins, not BDUs. What do you think of a sysadmin that cannot even navigate a search box? Would you hire one to manage your network?


Maybe these are hardcore old-school admins who only work at the command line so that when they rise blinking from their gloomy twilight world they are confused by the poly-chromatic rodent controlled human / computer interface highly-motile technology that is the.... Web Browser.

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#176709 - 2007-06-04 05:34 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Les]
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Les,

I am sure all those stories are true but I personally have a lot of occasions with help desks (sympatico for instances) who do not listen to a word I say & instead read a rote list of really stupid things for me to do to address my problem. I have Sympatico Ultra & I live within a few blocks of a switching station yet I am only getting 60% of my max speed so I have complained numerous times. I have given up complaining. I can not take the pain I have to endure while getting treated like a moron & marched through a bunch of actions that I know will not work.

Another example, my wife's top of the line laptop always has some problem usually created by the moron tecks her school board hires. Often I understand what the issue is but I can not fix them because the tecks then blame every problem with the machine on "unauthorized changes to the system". If one tries to suggest alternative approaches to these guys they go bananas. It is truly nuts; my wife’s only solution is to buy a brand new laptop every year because the system starts to degrade the moment the tecks get their hands on it. I am sure these guys have some wonderful stories about their "dumb" users.

So I am sure there are horror stories on both sides of the fence & good and bad people on both sides.
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#176712 - 2007-06-04 10:01 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Jack Lothian]
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Seems weird to me that your wife buys the laptop and then lets those guys touch it in the first place \:\)
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#176724 - 2007-06-04 02:24 PM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Arend_]
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She buys them out of her work budget but they need to be integrated into the Board's lan. She needs to hook into various Admin systems & this is totally under the teck staffs control. At this moment her 1 year old machine is freezing up in Outlook whenever she trys to mail a large document (it is an in thing these days in educational circles to use & pass around large numbers of electronic pictures & movies of children & teachers). It has been happening for almost 2 months & after much work by the teck staff & frustration for my wife they have narrowed it down to 2 possibilities: it is an MS problem with Office XP or it is not really happening. Whatever the problem, it is most definitely not their problem. Also, if I tried changing any settings & the teck staff found out, they would refuse to maintain her machine. It is an all or nothing thing & I just do not have the time to be my wife's full time teck, besides, I do not have admin privledges on their servers.

My wife is planning to buy another new machine this summer because her experience says she will get about a year out of this new one before it deteriotes too badly.
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#176726 - 2007-06-04 03:35 PM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Jack Lothian]
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Looks like some kind of software problem. If nothing else helps I’d do a clean install on the machine. Sure it's an easy way out but if you tried all kinds of thing and nothing fixes it a clean install would be the way to be sure that it is not hardware related.
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#180745 - 2007-09-20 02:51 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Mart]
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hehe, I am a school sysadmin (amongst my many roles in life!) and yes, while I do have some "special" stories of some of my staff, I generally give the laptop users more headroom than my workstations here at school. I definitely wouldn't trust any of the kids as far as I could throw em, but I do feel that staff members need to be given some leeway to do their jobs efficiently! It is always hard to find a middle ground between giving too much leeway and not enough!
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#180773 - 2007-09-21 09:36 PM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: vivster81]
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I haven't been on the other end too much, but I worked for a help desk at a large bank for a year and taking 30 minutes to reset a password was just the start of it. The ole, "My screen is blank!!" was almost an every other day problem. "Is the computer on?" "yes" "Not the tv, but the black box where all the chords are going?" "OHHHHHHHHH". Wow.
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#180777 - 2007-09-22 01:53 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: DStelz]
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The middle way between to little and to much breathing room is kinda easy.

All my laptop user are local admins. They either have no access to the compay network or they are told that if anything happens that I do not like or is illegal (like kazaa, Emule, games (legal or not) or just one illegal MP3 or something like it) they will get a clean image restored by me no questions asked and local admin rights are gone. Nothing gets saved all is clean and crisp. This way they will learn the hard way. The are aware of this policy and some are bitten by it already. You should se the faces when they are caught. Priceless Begging on knees to get local admin back but justice for all and all for justice. Yes this is a kinda harsh but my users will just not listen otherwise.
All offending laptop users will get a 3 month trial period and after that they will get local admin rights restored until they screw up again.
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#180780 - 2007-09-24 09:28 AM Re: Too stupid to own a computer? [Re: Jack Lothian]
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Now Jack, I know how you feel. I've changed ISP twice because of tech-support that does not listen and ONLY walk you throw the basic steps they have on paper. I acctually had the energy to withstand that list a few times, and to finally get to the point were they divert me to a real tech (with knowledge, not just a paper...). It's then great to hear that 'oh, yeah... sorry can't do anything about it.. our network is to be upgraded - so you'll have to live with it (cable-net then)...' :).

And no, tech's with no real experience nor knowledge doesn't seem to have a fence here in Sweden at least :).

Regarding your wifes lappie - how can you do unauthorized changes, if she hopefully don't have rights to do 'em? Ah, never mind, if the school agrees with her getting a new laptop each year - it's great! She'll always have something new at least ;).

@ Mart - now that was a fun approach to say at least with laptop users. I wish I could do the same sometime. At my current location - only five ppl have local admin rights on their workstation/laptop - the it dep :). Solves a lot of issues (but yeah, creates others..) but no one is complaining and it's more or less all CEO's that have laptops ;).


Edited by Björn (2007-09-24 09:32 AM)
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