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#148612 - 2005-09-27 06:18 PM Censoring of posts?
JohnMcD JohnMcD Lurker Registered: 2005-09-26 Posts: 3	I'm a newbie and just made a post to the topic asking about SetPrinterDefault() posted by pOOkie. All I suggested was that Jooel and Les leave reedmikel, another newbie alone. Reedmikel made a great contribution by pointing out inaccuracies in the SetDefaultPrinter and AddPrinterConnection commands. While some think that the experience of hundreds of KiX users that encountered this same confusion over the years is "trivial", it is not IMO. Seasoned KIX vets like Jooel and Les(also moderators) are so used to this quirk with these commands that it is just second nature to them when they use these commands and follow what is in their minds rather than printed in the docs. Yet when a newbie is confused by the docs and suggests improvements could be made(to the docs) he gets bashed by these unmoderate moderators... My post, which just got censored, simply suggested that these two moderators just leave us newbies alone, unless you have really useful constructive advice. I'd go even further and recommend that Jooel and Les simply refrain from replying to Reedmikel's posts unless he asks for their input. I think these two moderators are too emotionally attached to their KiX baby, and are unable to handle well documented criticisms... Hopefully this should put an end to all the flame wars of recent days. Just a newbies 2 cents. Will I get censored? Let's see.
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#148613 - 2005-09-27 06:25 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	lol. john, the problem is that you fail to see the truth. you said I bashed mike but in the contrary, I said he was right. now, mike said after that exactly what you said here, that I go twisting things in my head. well, that's his opinion but should keep those opinions out. this board should be kept clean of flaming. the problem is that your contribution to this board has been nothing else but flaming. and instead of stating your own mind, you reply almost exactly the same text mike has already said. so, is this only second account of mike's or? now. we settled the deal (at least I thought) with mike already in mike's thread. so why do you keep it going? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#148614 - 2005-09-27 06:31 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
reedmikel reedmikel Fresh Scripter Registered: 2005-09-21 Posts: 27	I'm trying to see that you and Les just leave him, and me for that matter, alone. I guess any newbie that points out bugs in the docs, or God forbid the program, is going to get bashed by you guys? I am just suggesting that you are too emotionally attached to your product to handle criticisms... I only replied in pOOkie's topic because reedmikel (no I do not know him) tried to help pOOkie - only to be harassed again. Why do I only have a few posts? Jooel - I am a newbie - think about it
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#148615 - 2005-09-27 06:41 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	Quote: I'm trying to see that you and Les just leave him, and me for that matter, alone. I guess any newbie that points out bugs in the docs, or God forbid the program, is going to get bashed by you guys? I am just suggesting that you are too emotionally attached to your product to handle criticisms... I only replied in pOOkie's topic because reedmikel (no I do not know him) tried to help pOOkie - only to be harassed again. Why do I only have a few posts? Jooel - I am a newbie - think about it right. reedmikel speaks like john and says that he does not know reedmikel. I rest my case. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#148616 - 2005-09-27 06:43 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	It really IS trivial. You cannot dismiss it as a "quirk" because it is not. They are two different functions that require different parms. As long as there are people and manuals, they (both) will be misinterpreted. Before Ruud attempted to add clarity to the manual, people were assuming the two functions used the same parms. Obviously, the finer details in the manual escaped them. After Ruud added his footnote, I in my mind's eye interpreted it to refer to the AddPrinterConnection() and not to the SetDefaultPrinter() function as Mike did. It is an easy mistake when one already knows what parm is expected, to infer a different meaning. I do not want my nose rubbed in it repeatedly. I did hurl one small insult for which I returned one small apology and would love to leave it at that. If sleeping dogs cannot be left to lay, I can elobarate on how I drew my conclusion. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#148617 - 2005-09-27 06:47 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
reedmikel reedmikel Fresh Scripter Registered: 2005-09-21 Posts: 27	John - though I thank you for the kind words, we'd better leave this alone. I think they saw my point and have made changes to the docs. They just aren't the right moderators for the Starters forum.
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#148618 - 2005-09-27 06:50 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	mike, can't you stop playing around. it's clear that you used another account to raise your feelings. we know how you feel. and we also have feelings. but if you wish keep on posting, you should not keep using two different accounts and only flame ppl. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#148619 - 2005-09-27 07:02 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Quote: They just aren't the right moderators for the Starters forum. Right again, albeit accidentally. Howard Bullock and kdyer ARE the moderators of the Starters forum. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that Jooel and I are moderators of that forum. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#148620 - 2005-09-27 10:01 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
StarwarsKid StarwarsKid Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2005-06-15 Posts: 506 Loc: Oregon, USA	Any lessons learned from these recent posts? (Let's think "constructive") .... You're in a garden,... The garden is full of grass.... There are nice fluffy "@" symbols dangling from a near by tree...... sigh ... Now we can think clearly... _________________________ let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance- Proverbs 1:5
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#148621 - 2005-09-27 10:48 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
reedmikel reedmikel Fresh Scripter Registered: 2005-09-21 Posts: 27	No clue as to why you two think I am someone else... Anyway, it's been real fun chatting with you guys. You sure made a newbie feel real welcome. You won't be terribly disappointed if I avoid further contact with you two, right? Peace - go find somewhere else to dribble your nonsense...
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#148622 - 2005-09-27 10:52 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	actually, I don't feel disappointed at all if you just disappeared. somehow it seems to be the most civilized thing to happen. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#148623 - 2005-09-27 10:57 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Quote: No clue as to why you two think I am someone else... Again with the assumptions... I never accused you of being someone else. Who was it that said "don't go away mad, just go away"? _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#148624 - 2005-09-28 12:41 AM Re: Censoring of posts?
maciep maciep Korg Regular Registered: 2002-06-14 Posts: 947 Loc: Pittsburgh	I think Jooel thinks your someone else because you, reedmikel, said Quote: I only replied in pOOkie's topic because reedmikel (no I do not know him) tried to help pOOkie - only to be harassed again So either you do not know yourself or you are using two accounts, which can get confusing.
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#148625 - 2005-09-28 12:58 AM Re: Censoring of posts?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	maciep, I think he does not understand your post, no matter how hard you try. he has had a weird way of not reading what ppl write but translates what he feels is nice for his purposes at the moment. and most likely, we can see him replying once more saying "you are the worst moderator ever, maciep! you are so cruel to me and all the rest of the world and it's noobies" _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#148626 - 2005-09-28 01:06 AM Re: Censoring of posts?
maciep maciep Korg Regular Registered: 2002-06-14 Posts: 947 Loc: Pittsburgh	Maybe...but who will it be? John? Mike? Or maybe a new mystery user... I bet maciep (no i don't know him) doesn't care what is said about his non-existent moderating skills, no matter who the phantom poster is.
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#148627 - 2005-09-28 02:00 AM Re: Censoring of posts?
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Come on guys, cut John a break. Just because John somehow managed to log into Mike's account to make his last post doesn't prove anything. Maybe there was a software glitch on the board, maybe the logon cookies got mixed-up. Maybe John just managed to mistype his username and password so badly, that he accidently logged in as Mike by accident. Ever think of that ? Your evidence is purely circumstantial at best.
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#148628 - 2005-09-28 09:44 AM Re: Censoring of posts?
Mart Mart KiX Supporter Registered: 2002-03-27 Posts: 4673 Loc: The Netherlands	Yeah I agree. Lets stop this sh#t and go on normally. Without the name calling and accusing people with all kind of stuff. No matter who started it just quit it _________________________ Mart - Chuck Norris once sold ebay to ebay on ebay.
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#148629 - 2005-09-28 07:48 PM Re: Censoring of posts?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11629 Loc: CA	AMEN Mart
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