alrighty, now as that not working part is back in the discussion, I would also like to know where kixtart fails with ingroup.
what type of environment how it's ran and what type of failure in specific.
met by everyone or just somebody?
problem happens for new or for old groups too?

I would wait yet still some time before saying that kixtart ingroup would not always work...

although, have seen some problems with it, specifically, iirc, we had a name resolution problem back then.
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