#113363 - 2004-02-07 02:07 PM
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Radimus
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unfortunately, such killings are far too commonplace. African countries are under constant threats of violence, and the far east is probably just as bad.
that isn't to say Europe is safe, how safe is it for school kids to ride a bus in Ireland... with the IRA running around.
The US has very little experience in terrorism... with only 3 events that I can think of in the last 10 years. when it does, most people don't know what to do. and then they don't realize that other people live with these threats daily.
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#113366 - 2004-02-09 09:42 PM
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Radimus
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Well... as far as definitions go, Terrorists is what the big army calls the little army.
Since the US has the biggest army (excepting possibly China), that makes everyone else terrorists, and since a stand up fight between any number of countries and the US has a fairly predictable outcome, the only thing people fighting the US can do is kill women and children while they are going to school and shopping.
Eventually, these extremists will get assimilated into the corporate world that the US, Japan, Austrilia, and most of European nations are in and discover that this medieval thinking no longer has a place. Tribal factions has to go away, religous factions has to go away, and perhaps racial divisions will even go away (some day)... Political factions never will.
If we can keep our would-be terrorists and international criminals running for political offices, at least we can keep an eye on them. (and no this isn't Bush-bashing) all politicians are liars and criminals, but as long as they are running for office, they spend more time plotting against their opponents, than against the people they are supposed to be serving.
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#113368 - 2004-02-09 11:11 PM
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Jose
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#113370 - 2004-02-10 01:31 AM
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Sealeopard
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Can we please go back to KiXtart or boobs, please?
Though the 'General Discussion' forum is intended for non-KiXtart thingies, and we're very loose with regards to moderating, I'd prefer to stay away from certain discussions, including but not limited to politics, religion, and other potentially polarizing areas that are non KiXtart/computer/IT/management-related.
Everybody is entitled to voicing their opinion, however, please consider that this BBS is a) international, and b) some people might be directly affected by certain things you say.
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#113375 - 2004-02-10 10:08 PM
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Co
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I don't want to make this topic a never ending story....
First of all I'm getting a dejavu... Jose we have to change our displaynames... Only who is Justin and who is Janet 
Lonkero, Those "dudes" aren't the only ones saying these things. You only have to open your eyes and ears for those opions and don't listen only to your own.
http://www.adbusters.org/debate/iraq_war/comments.html?page=38
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....I believe Richard has a point. I believe that if you pay your taxes, you are supporting US aggression in the world. What is the number? 40% of your tax dollars goes toward the US military. In the last fifty years, the United States has been the agressor in a dozen or so countries. I'm sorry i don't have the list memorized. But my point is, is that in one hand we train and arm governments, then leverage arab oil, arm israel, exile refugees, sell arms to Iran, the CIA runs drugs all over the world, help Saddam blame islam, install the Shah and in the other, we claim to be saving the world from t... [read more] jon, LA...
But there are other versions why they think the US is an evil agressor
http://www.secularislam.net/archives/2003_07.html
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...This is what the Islamists think of you, non-Muslim Americans. They believe, no matter how you offer your hand in genuine friendship, that you are their enemy. It doesn't matter how many interfaith meetings you attend, how much you try to understand them, to the Islamists you are always just a dirty enemy infidel. And that also goes for those American Muslims who don't subscribe to the Islamists' views of worldwide Islamic empire - you have sold out to the filthy kaffirs. Then the rather paranoid claim that Americans would exterminate all Muslims given the chance, when in fact, as I know, almost no Americans would give a second thought to Islam if it wasn't for terrorist attacks and this kind of writing. (And I thought it was the Serbs, not the Muslims, that Americans were fighting to stop the bloodshed in Kosovo.) And note the defense of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, which she seems to have conveniently forgotten were engaged in vicious conquest and mass killings at the time, but of course it is America who is the evil agressor...
Surf the internet for more.. unfortunately, I can tell you it isn't hard to find...
Because I write those things it doesn't mean I agree with it but it is the opinion of some other people in this world and if we are blind or deaf for those opinions I am afraid for the future.
So again put this in a who, why, how, when, where mixture of questions and maybe we find the answer to solve it.. even it isn.t this simple at all....
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#113377 - 2004-02-10 11:03 PM
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ShaneEP
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I only have one thought about the whole "evil agressor" thing...
If America is such a "evil agressor" then why do some many people from other countries immigrate here every year?
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Estimates show that the United States population is growing by 2.5 million people annually. Immigrants contribute a large number to this amount, making up a little under one million of this total. The average number of immigrants that usually enter the United States in one year is 800,000.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/2613/population.html
Nearly 1/3 of all new US citizens in a year are immigrants from other countries. It seemss to me that only certain areas of the world think of us as the "evil agressor"...And not a majority at all.
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One international migrant (net) every............ 25 seconds
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock
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#113381 - 2004-02-14 04:57 AM
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Lonkero
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Registered: 2001-06-05
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hey CO, it's long time you poster you reply to thread (10/02/2004) but no less I'm forced to answer it.
I know, america bad, isreal worse, northern pole is satan.
I know, about listening, have heard more than one story, believe me.
I know, many ppl probably herd more.
I know, ...
taking from the start of your post...
a "quote" about tax'es going to military...
well, that's US way.
they have always been AFRAID of everybody!
they were afraid of USSR going anywhere everytime they detected a agent anyway, and I know.
I live in the neighbor of that frieghtening evil country.
I say they good to me....
well, that said, the most powerfull is always afraid because it never knows when it's time to fall.
for good.
so, I say let the americano's have their small fights, they can't affect a [censored] with their army anyway!
with some determined ppl you can throttle the nation so bad (ref 11.9.) they can do nothing in next 2 months.
well, lets go into the other force.
the islam, "the good" force of world, doh!
I can not say anything really bad about them, after all, they are relatives to israelitans (see history books) but...
I know there is no place where islam world would have slept without fight.
they fight for islamic world.
and EVERY country that is not islamic is their full-blooded ENEMY.
there are many levels of islamic overtaking but just like in the dark-ages, islamic ppl seem to think, it's their turn now to fight against rest of the world which is pagain.
hmm...
just came to mind, what you boys think of the word devil?
d-evil, the evil?
the ingarnation of evil as a whole 
doh, CO...
as you write these things... specially about powerfull forces like israel or US, you should be pretty carefull.
I don't mean thinking is bad.
but saying:
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One of the reasons 9-11 and the killings in Iraq happens is because the US is supporting Israel
is too much.
that's a thought over suggestion that's based on hatred of half-brother nation.
wont stand that kinda [censored] without noting it.
no matter if it was american president saying it.
I say, be carefull in your own notes.
this fight you stumbled in to is thousands years old and even though nowadays european politics don't seem to understand that simply thing, I know you do.
and if not others offended by this, I am.
like said before, this thread was about american's, now it seems to turn into fight which is worse, US or EU.
as the EU countries and their citizens seems to make so bad mistakes with their lips nobody will tolerate for long.
we can take the discussion off bounds via messenger but like some wise man once said:
"even...." well, can't say it here.
see you on messenger 
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but... 
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.. It is better to end this topic and maybe Jens or Lonkero as moderators can lock it. 
