#110151 - 2003-12-11 09:15 PM
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ShaneEP
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Registered: 2002-11-29
Posts: 2127
Loc: Tulsa, OK
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I want one of These for Christmas...
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#110153 - 2003-12-11 10:30 PM
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Allen
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Registered: 2003-04-19
Posts: 4562
Loc: USA
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Ask New Mexico Mark for it, I hear he's passing out raises 
Doc... lol!  No really. How do you really feel about it? Don't hold back. 
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#110155 - 2003-12-12 05:27 AM
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MCA
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Registered: 2000-04-28
Posts: 5152
Loc: Netherlands, EU
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Dear,
Certification is more necessary when your boss is sending you to other companies.
Your boss already knows "what you can" and "when he can count on you".
Certification is something which was introduced again by those companies who
want to make money with it. Ones, two or three times the boss find it very useful,
but the fourth time he get a big headache of it.
Also not everybody wants to learn only the MS stuff. Most things we known about
computing aren't based on those certificates, but on our education at school and
on doing it a long time. Just, a paper isn't for us enough (once we meet a person
with CNE and MCSE certificates, but he doesn't see a computer at all). People
should be made of the right stuff.
People with a long computer history knows what is useful and not. So the best
dream is, that you can do your work without a those extrem requirements.
greetings.
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#110158 - 2003-12-12 11:06 PM
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Shawn
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Registered: 1999-08-13
Posts: 8611
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Im so old - the only thing certs would do for me is freshen my breath 
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#110162 - 2003-12-30 02:22 PM
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Kdyer
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Registered: 2001-01-03
Posts: 6241
Loc: Tigard, OR
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Glenn,
You are hitting upon a good subject here as a good "bookworm" would not necessarily be a good person to put to practice their knowledge.
Kent
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#110164 - 2003-12-31 05:58 PM
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Glenn Barnas
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Registered: 2003-01-28
Posts: 4401
Loc: New Jersey
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Kent:
Quite right! We worked with a guy with more letters after his MCSE than anyone I know.. plus his CNE! While he can recite chapter, verse, and "Q" articles by number, he can't actually put it all together in a meaningful way.
I have none of those credentials (only MCP in NT4 and IP) but I've taught MCSE and A+ for several years. I've designed, built, and maintained a 27 site WAN, including an intelligent, automated NOC. No CNE required.
Certs are important, true - but after a few years in the field, they are less important. When I ran my integration business, I used to give applicants a test. There were several sections covering Networking, IP, NetBIOS, and Unix, plus one "essay" section that presented a configuration scenario and asked 10 troubleshooting questions. Those 10 questions told me if the applicant could "think" and apply their knowledge in a "common sense" manner.. the exact answers were less important than the "direction" that the applicant went in answering them. Those that did not complete that section were not considered for the position. I'd rather hire someone that can think than someone that can recite memorized trivia.
The most important lesson I learned in my IBM school days was "Don't memorize the details! Learn the concepts - all the detail you'll ever need are in (these) books when you need it."
Glenn
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Actually I am a Rocket Scientist! 
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