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#102212 - 2003-06-17 11:34 PM Re: Wininstall
masken masken MM club member Registered: 2000-11-27 Posts: 1222 Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden	quote: No problems about installing with admin rights, i have that part sorted . Just out of curiosity Richard, how have you chosen to solve this? I still see this as one of the major concerns in automating, when the clients doesn't have local admin rights. There's all kinds of homebrewed or application specific solutions, but I find none of them really smooth... [ 17. June 2003, 23:36: Message edited by: masken ] _________________________ The tart is out there
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#102213 - 2003-06-17 11:36 PM Re: Wininstall
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11625 Loc: CA	We do via Logon Script right now. Don't forget that a scheduled job typically will not have any access to remote resources as it won't have proper credentials to access remote data. I have tried all of these products at one time or another, and Chris may be correct now, buy a couple years ago WiseSolutions was miles ahead of InstallShield in re-capture and Transforms. Then InstallShield woke up and saw the Administrator market potential and started revamping their tools for Admins instead of just programmers.
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#102214 - 2003-06-17 11:53 PM Re: Wininstall
Richie19Rich77 Richie19Rich77 Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-16 Posts: 624 Loc: London, England	Thanks for the replys, I have this program called SU, not the microsoft one, but a re written unix app. And I have hardcoded the password for a certian username in there with admin rights. I have configured this username on the domain with admin rights but the username cannot logon to any console. So it is sort of secure well as long as internal audit don't find out. No all joking aside, it sounds worse then it really is the password is hardcoded, but you still need to type in the username, which could be anything. The username is in a script, but then i package the SU Script in a exe so it cannot be seen by a user. With this program I can install anything I like, I am looking at scheduling the PC's to look at a server at midnight, but we have over 2000 PC's and all of them updating might kill the network, and yes we are a 24 hour comapny (Hospital) so this might be a problem. Thanks [ 18. June 2003, 00:07: Message edited by: Richard Farthing ]
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#102215 - 2003-06-18 03:35 AM Re: Wininstall
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	This is why I use the Task Scheduler to schedule tasks on remote computers. The server-side script is on a server, which should be considered secure. Thus the maintenance password can be coded in plain-text in the script. If anybody can reach the script, then he already compromized security or is an administrator anyway. The client-side will only contain the encrypted password. The whole concept is illustarted in my KSMS posts. _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#102216 - 2003-06-18 08:16 AM Re: Wininstall
Schuliebug Schuliebug Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2002-01-18 Posts: 379 Loc: Netherlands	The pro's for InstallShield mentioned by Chris are the same Wise uses to indicate why we should use Wise. However, our experience with Wise Package Studio are positive: - Fast reply from Wise when having problems - Wise Knowledge base - as from 4.5: * central package repository * ability to check new (or bought) packages against this repository There is one negative point i know about InstallShield packages and that is that if you use KiXforms & use Shell to install the package, the installation freezes (see the bug forum at the KiXforms site). Nevertheless, i think MSI's can be created by both packages without much effort, so the price makes the difference.. _________________________ Kind regards,
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#102217 - 2003-06-18 09:51 AM Re: Wininstall
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11625 Loc: CA	There are reviews of many of the packaging solutions over at APPDEPLOY, however, most of them appear to be way out of date with the current versions. Both of these are good products and both are probably overkill for most small to medium size businesses. Quite expensive packages. For many Admins they could probably get away with a much smaller and cheaper package. Wise Package Studio v4.5 http://www.wise.com/wps.asp What's new in Wise Package Studio 4.5? * Create and manage component rules * Improved support for mobile devices * Exclusive support for server installations * Integration with Altiris® Software Delivery Solution * Free upgrade for Wise Package Studio 4.0 users * Support for mobile devices Approximately $4,000 US Dollars Annual Support for Wise Package Studio Approximately $600 US Dollars InstallShield AdminStudio v5.0 http://www.installshield.com/isas/ * Dramatically lower ownership costs for every desktop * Significantly reduce application crashes and downtime * Properly manage every application from cradle to grave * Establish and enforce corporate software standards * Improve enterprise-wide perception of IT Approximately $3,500 US Dollars Admin Studio Subscription Appx $1,200 US Dollars AdminStudio Silver Support Appx $1,000 US Dollars
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#102218 - 2003-06-18 11:01 PM Re: Wininstall
kholm kholm Korg Regular Registered: 2000-06-19 Posts: 714 Loc: Randers, Denmark	An important issue !!! Am i right in this: Wise packager has a set cost, buy it and use it Installshield cost a licence per submited package per computer If you plan to create packages for many applications on many computers this is important regarding the price of the packager. -Erik
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#102219 - 2003-06-18 11:23 PM Re: Wininstall
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11625 Loc: CA	I'm not sure about that Erik. I think it used to be true, but they may have changed their model. These prices though are for a SINGLE USER, they are not for use by more then one user. You have 2 or 3 people making packages, they each need their OWN copy of the program. They do license for multiple users.
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#102220 - 2003-06-19 12:18 AM Re: Wininstall
Chris S. Chris S. MM club member Registered: 2002-03-18 Posts: 2368 Loc: Earth	I bought the AdminStudio 5.0 Standard Edition cost my company about $1300 and has heaps more features than the comparable Wise package. http://www.installshield.com/isas/ [ 19. June 2003, 00:20: Message edited by: Chris S. ]
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#102221 - 2003-07-04 09:27 AM Re: Wininstall
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11625 Loc: CA	Advanced Installer 0.2 - FREEWARE Released on July 1, 2003. Advanced Installer is a Windows Installer authoring tool which enables developers to build reliable MSI packages that meet the Windows 2000/XP logo certification guidelines. http://www.advancedinstaller.com/
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#102222 - 2003-09-15 04:42 PM Re: Wininstall
Frenkie Frenkie Lurker Registered: 2003-09-15 Posts: 2	I don't know if I'm at the right place here, but I'm having a problem installing Wininstall 2003 LE. Our company doesn't want users to access the internet directly (can only connect using Citrix). When installing Wininstall, it tries to send registration info to the internet (which of course fails) and I can't install wininstall. Is there a way to get around this registration check?
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#102223 - 2003-09-17 06:19 PM Re: Wininstall
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	Why don't you contact the makers of WinInstall directly? _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#102224 - 2003-09-17 06:57 PM Re: Wininstall
Chris S. Chris S. MM club member Registered: 2002-03-18 Posts: 2368 Loc: Earth	My question is why would you install WinInstall on client PCs in the first place? Wouldn't you be using a clean image to build an install package?
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