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#69875 - 2002-09-20 09:20 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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hey ho!

Hi guys.. another fine kixgolf game I see. I haven't had time to foray into this.. work at hand ya know..... Very interesting, though.. !

(I'm going to post some code in another spot.. see if anyone is interested... it's on analyzing Microsoft proxy logs..)

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#69876 - 2002-09-20 09:27 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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brian, these golfs are almost boring when you are not fighting for your life!

no, really, you might inform us when you have some days less work so we might plan the golf to suit your schedule also [Big Grin]

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#69877 - 2002-09-20 09:35 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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Are you not getting much competition these days, Lonkero? Unfortunately, (or perhaps fortunately), my life has become busier with lots of social activities, church activities, family events, etc. so that I don't have as much time to let the geek out that is cooped up inside of me!

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#69878 - 2002-09-20 09:36 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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You still have a few hours! [Big Grin]
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#69879 - 2002-09-20 09:44 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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church?
is that religion?

as if it is, it's bad. [Big Grin]

 
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#69880 - 2002-09-20 10:48 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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Brian, if you only need (ab)(cd) and a(bcd) how would you show (a+b+c)/d as a possibility? Did I miss something?

{edit} Seems that I jumped the gun. Just noticed your edit.

[ 20. September 2002, 22:54: Message edited by: Howard Bullock ]
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#69881 - 2002-09-20 10:55 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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Brian, what happened to your post?
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#69882 - 2002-09-20 11:05 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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hmm. i must be lame brained today.. I deleted that post because it was stupid.. but i had it partially right:

3 possibilities:
a(bcd),(ab)(cd), and (abc)d...

All the others are redundants.. Just my two cents.. (The only reason you need (abc)(d) is because the / and - are not commutative.)

Brian

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#69883 - 2002-09-20 11:53 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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If that is the case I can trim a little more. [Wink] Haven't thought through it in great detail.
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#69884 - 2002-09-21 12:11 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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You could have started trimming sooner: back in page 4 of this thread, I had already stated that, although in other terms... [Smile]

Gonna start my coding now. Wish me luck guys! [Smile]
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#69885 - 2002-09-21 01:38 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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KixGolf v3.0.3 score = 438, running under KiXtart v4.10
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#69886 - 2002-09-21 01:46 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
Fernando Madruga Offline
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PPL: need some help... What's the best way to debug a KiXtart program and watch variables? The built-in debugger is very basic... [Frown]

Please advise...
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#69887 - 2002-09-21 01:49 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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For big projects or repeatative vars (hehe), I have always used WriteLog() UDF and write a file to trace program execution. I document whatever items seem to be affecting my code until the bugs are squashed.

[ 21. September 2002, 01:50: Message edited by: Howard Bullock ]
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#69888 - 2002-09-21 02:30 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
Fernando Madruga Offline
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Well... I've managed to fix the bug. However, I don't think I'll be any match to you guys: I've just finished the permutation generation code, and am already running at 277!! When I add the operators, parentheses and tests, I'll be WAY over the current results... [Frown]

Anyway, I'll try and finish this one... I may be leaving KiXtart and this forum real soon.
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#69889 - 2002-09-21 02:38 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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Why would you be leaving?
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#69890 - 2002-09-21 03:14 AM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
Fernando Madruga Offline
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I have to make a correction: "may be" -> "will be"...

I'm starting to dislike KiXtart: even though it has some nice builtin functions for use in logon scripts, it does lack a LOT...

I've become used to more high level languages, or even not so high level but with more descriptive error messages and better debuggers...

And this particular KixGolf edition served to show that we can't even rely on floating point! Having written the exact same program in Perl and KiXtart, KiXtart's version fails a LOT...

Even though I tried to "ignore" some of KiXtart's "missing" features, I don't like being "tied up"... Everywhere I turn to make something other than the most basic things, KiXtart won't do it... [Frown]

These last 2 KixGolf contests served to show me one thing: doing some major KiXtart development, as I was planning to, would be a MAJOR pain, and I've become used to making the computer work for me, as opposed to having to work for the computer... [Smile]

Also, I've managed to convince my boss that we should buy ScriptLogic's software, and so I won't be needing to do any KiXtart programming at all! If I ever need a small script, I'll do it in Perl or maybe Python (learning this one now...)

That's the main reason why I'm leaving. After all, if not "KiXtarting", there's no reason to stay in a KiXtart BB!!

As a sidenote: I don't think I'll complete the game script, after all: I am already running at 400+ and it's still missing the parentheses and test condition! And those two will surely add another 100+ keystrokes. Also, my weekend is going to be somewhat busy (got to go for tonight).

[ 21. September 2002, 03:15: Message edited by: Fernando Madruga ]
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#69891 - 2002-09-21 06:51 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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I have been playing with this on and off for days, and only
got a working script about 6 hours ago!
Not compressed much, but I doubt I can do much better.
Golf Score 541.

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#69892 - 2002-09-23 05:42 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
Fernando Madruga Offline
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What? Last post was in 21/09/2002 @ 18:51?

Things look VERY quiet in here... [Smile]

Anyway, ppl, in the process of rewriting the 6 hour Perl program to compute all solutions into a 21 minute Python version, I found that one solution had been missed by the perl version! That's 3388 wich does have a valid solution as 8/(3-8/3). So, please add this line:
quote:

+ "3388"

before the following line:
quote:

$rc=SETOPTION('Explicit','ON')

in my previously published version of the test program.

BTW: If I do get some spare time, I might try to complete this game anyway... As part of my Python learning program I'll make a program to compute a simpler algorithm. If I do find one, I'll try to make a KiXtart program out of it, and if I don't bump into many walls doing it, I may as well end up posting my version of game24...

[ 23. September 2002, 17:43: Message edited by: Fernando Madruga ]
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#69893 - 2002-09-23 05:55 PM Re: KiXtart Golf V: Game24
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Fernando: We moved on to the second part of KiXtart Golf in KixGolf Results/Code
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