#210330 - 2015-06-07 04:36 PM
Re: Anyone thinking of upgrading to Windows 10
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Allen
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I haven't had time to put Win10 on anything yet, but I can promise you Windows 10, underneath the hood, will be more like Windows 8 than Windows 7. If you haven't read the thread on Windows 8, it might be some good insight to some the issues you may come across.
The Joy of Windows 8 - http://www.kixtart.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=206362#Post206362
One thing I am already annoyed with is Startdock. Their Start8 Menu replacement will not be upgraded for Windows 10 without a completely new purchase. Basically they are saying they are not restricting the use of Start8 on Windows 10, nor are they going to fix it if it doesn't work right. At this point, I have no idea what is going to happen to the machines if they upgrade with Start8 installed... meaning will MS disable it? will it work but look like crap?, or will it be installed and not work at all?
Fun times ahead.
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#210332 - 2015-06-08 09:32 AM
Re: Anyone thinking of upgrading to Windows 10
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Robdutoit
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Registered: 2012-03-27
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Loc: London, England
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Oh yes I read that read - Joy of windows 8. That was one of the reasons, but not the only reason why I never even considered upgrading to windows 8.
Actually windows 10 has been quite positvely reviewed. Windows 10 will be coming with a start menu and it intelligently changes the layout of the OS depending on whether you are using desktop or Tablet.
I have not reviewed it, but I am personally of the opinion that windows 7 is so good that I see no real need to upgrade. Maybe windows 10 has new features (The only one that sounds interesting to me is the virtual desktops), but for my clients I see no real value in upgrading.
Interestingly on spiceworks - http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99...ke-don-t-fix-it almost everyone says that they are upgrading, but none of them are giving any solid reasons other than they like it.
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#210340 - 2015-06-09 08:58 AM
Re: Anyone thinking of upgrading to Windows 10
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Arend_
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Registered: 2005-01-17
Posts: 1894
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Glenn, my blatant anti-2012 rant is purely based upon facts. Like I said I have 3 2012 R2 hosts, which cause some problems that we can't solve in a proper fashion, those problems are bugs. Besides, we have a RDS farm, if we would change those to 2012 R2, our users would have quite some problems adjusting to it. At any rate, as I've explained before I tested a few beta's and the public preview of Windows 10 and I will fully test the RTM version with all of our applications. Based upon those results I'll decide wether or not Windows 10 is a viable option to me.
One thing I'd like to say on a personal note though. As all of you know OS's over the last 10 years have grown to be very stable and flexible. So what I do not understand, is why would Microsoft (and Apple for that matter) change the User Interface without allowing to customize the UI to make it look like it was before or to allow the same functionalities in the same places as we are used to. I'll bet you if Windows 8 had a similar (optional) start menu as Windows 7 more users would have migrated, I'd have tested 2012 in my RDS farm even. The start menu is what made Windows well Windows, without that even Gnome and KDE are more user friendly then Windows 8.
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#210343 - 2015-06-09 09:40 PM
Re: Anyone thinking of upgrading to Windows 10
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NTDOC
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Loc: CA
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The underlying technology of Windows 10 as with all previous OS builds is not a 100% wipe and build new. It has technology going back to at least XP code though updated as needed to comply with current coding practices I'm sure. There is certainly a huge amount of Windows 8/8.1 code in 10 and that's a good thing overall. As you stated Arend as well as thousands of other techs on the Web for years now, the main gripe is the GUI dislike and the change of location for applets for seemingly no valuable benefit even to touch screen users. The undercover code/technology though is rarely blasted as it has some great improvements.
Another bit I posted on another forum where some user was concerned about a subscription cost to Windows 10
The basic core installation of Windows 10 will not be a subscription (they don't even know enough information about you to obtain payment) but what it does do is give them a stronger foothold in the core technology that will allow more seamless purchases for their store and Cloud based products and services going forward. No one knows for sure how long "normal" computers we're used to will continue to be in use but there is certainly heavy movement to reduce the need for them. I'm sure we'll be seeing more and more phone, tablets, and similar devices as well as applications that run from the Cloud on any device. Microsoft would appear to be working to build a base where they can leverage customers from any platform that can connect to the Internet. Providing a service or product that has a yearly subscription fee helps them to continue to thrive as a business as well. However the offering of Windows 10 for free would appear to be in their best interest in hope that many will subscribe to something in the future. As an example I myself was very upset and adamant about not using Adobe Cloud services but after a year of it being out there and reading more about it I changed my mind and I now use the Photographer package they have for $10 a month. I can basically install it on any of my computers and it licenses live through my sign-on so it's not like I can use it on 5 computers but I can have it installed on 5 computers and use it as needed (just not at the same time). In the long run say over a 5 year period the subscription model is actually cheaper than me purchasing a DVD standalone version every 18 months.
http://blogs.windows.com/
http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/tag/windows-10/
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/priority-windows-10-news-briefing-summary/
BRAND NEW Windows 10 content from Microsoft Ignite http://blogs.technet.com/b/sebastianklen...oft-ignite.aspx
Windows 10 available as a free upgrade on July 29 http://news.microsoft.com/2015/06/01/windows-10-available-as-a-free-upgrade-on-july-29/
*Windows Offer Details
Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; standard data rates apply. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.
Our lawyers made us say this:
Windows 10 Upgrade Offer is valid for qualified Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, including devices you already own. Some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device and market. The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 enterprise offerings outside of this offer. To check for compatibility and other important installation information, visit your device manufacturer’s website and the Windows 10 Specifications page. Additional requirements may apply over time for updates. Security and features are kept automatically up-to-date which is always enabled.
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