LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-18 02:28 PM
KiXtart 4.12 beta2

It's available for download at:
http://www.gwspikval.com/jooel/files/KiX2001_412b2.zip

enjoy.

ps, remember, it's still beta and same notes apply as for beta 1.

{edit}
offcourse forgot the most important, changelog since last release (4.11):
quote:

Fixes/enhancements in 4.12:
- Enhanced setting/putting of attributes via COM automation

- Enhanced SET to set variables in the master environment on Windows 9x

- KiXtart now properly resets the console colour attibutes upon exit

- Fixed @RAS on Windows NT and Windows 2000 (was broken in 4.11)

- Removed memory leak in script handler

- Improved performance and security of KXRPC



[ 18. October 2002, 15:04: Message edited by: Lonkero ]


Howard Bullock
(KiX Supporter)
2002-10-18 02:52 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Thanks.

Kdyer
(KiX Supporter)
2002-10-18 04:26 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Yeah..

Just got the e-mail from Ruud this morning on this.. Have not had time to investigate.

Kent


Radimus
(KiX Supporter)
2002-10-21 11:09 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

I have it... I don't use the rpc, so I can't comment on it, but other that that it runs every script I have written

NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-21 11:22 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

It seems to be working on all my scripts as well. I'm probably going to put it into production today and see howw it goes.

I'll post an update later on.


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-22 03:23 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Well, so far it does not seem to be a problem.

It is currently in production around the world. Nothing so far to indicate an issue with it.

[Cool] [Cool] [Cool] [Cool] [Cool]


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-22 10:50 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

I'm using it too and all "normal" scripts run just fine.
and on my endless looping scripts, no memory leak anymore!


Sealeopard
(KiX Master)
2002-10-22 03:40 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Has anybody checked the @RAS issue?

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-22 08:34 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

there is not so many ppl who can test it.
as, who uses ras connections anymore (or win9x [Wink] )

I quess the fixes are working.
but, is there leftovers?

like, I have problem of stack overflow on 2 scripts.
they are more than extensive.

I quess we have at least one beta and 1-3 rc's coming before 4.12...
be patient is my suggestion.


Ruud van Velsen
(Hey THIS is FUN)
2002-10-23 11:06 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

On @RAS: feedback up until now indicates the fix works fine.

On the stack overflows: stack usage will be greatly improved in RC1 (should be enough to ensure KiXWeeper runs ok).

Regards,

Ruud


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-24 12:00 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

I pushed out the KiXtart v4.12b2 into production and the only thing I've run accross is that the @CPU is not correct for some CPUs.

How does @CPU works internally? What/How does it query the information. We have some "semi" accurate information, but on the Compaq M700 laptop it mis-identified all of them as haing Celeron proccessors. We don't have any Celerons.

The speed of most processors was close enough for reports, but was way off target on the name/model for some of the systems.

Ruud, when do you anticipate RC1 will be available?


**DONOTDELETE**
(Lurker)
2002-10-24 06:26 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Hey NTDOC,
I also e-mailed Ruud today about the @CPU macro not properly reporting Mobile CPU types (not sure if it should).
-Brian


Ruud van Velsen
(Hey THIS is FUN)
2002-10-24 10:30 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

On @CPU: getting the CPU brand and model correct is pretty much a mystic art (as a result of the very few rules, the large amount of exceptions and the impossibility to test), so any and all info is very useful.

Please send me the brand, family, model, stepping, etc of the system, as well as what @CPU reports and what Windows reports as the CPU name, and I'll see what I can do. (The best way to get detailed information on (Intel) CPU's is to use the CPUID utility available on the Intel web.)

Regards,

Ruud


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-25 09:08 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

ruud, should the BREAK ON work with wkix32?
the X button at least has been disabled on all versions regardless do I use break on or not...


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-26 02:44 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

This program does not run by command line, but it
does seem to be the most accurate one I've ever tested.

WCPU_ID v3.1
Home Page: http://www.h-oda.com/

If you have trouble downloading you can try these links as well:
http://my.vector.co.jp/servlet/System.FileDownload/download/ftp/0/38172/pack/win95/hardware/cpu/wcpu310.exe

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002374/src/download.html#wcpu

Here is the INTEL links for their program

The Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/tools/frequencyid/

Download for DOS based v4.61 version of ID Utility:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/proc/T8Clearance.asp?url=/3088/eng/bfid_e17.exe

Download Windows based v4.61 version of ID Utility:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?strState=LIVE&ProductID=49&DwnldID=3084


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-26 02:49 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

doc, I've understood that the Intel's own program is not working.
it returns values like "celeron or pentium" and isn't that just the problem in here?


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-26 03:41 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

I'm not sure Lonkero... I'll have to get out to one of those systems next week and run both these utilities on them and report back what I find.

For my own system I get this:

code:
KiXtart 2001  4.12 Beta 2
Reports My CPU as: Intel Pentium III
Reports Speed as: 547
.
.
.
.


[ WCPUID Version 3.1 (c) 1996-2002 By H.Oda! ]

Processor #1 : Intel Pentium III / CA97D989
Platform : Slot 1 (SC242 Connector)
Vendor String : GenuineIntel
CPU Type : Original OEM Processor (0)
Family : 6 (-)
Model : 7 (-)
Stepping ID : 3 (-)
Brand : ----
APIC : ----
Name String : ----

Internal Clock : 547.61 MHz
System Bus : 99.57 MHz
System Clock : 99.57 MHz
Multiplier : 5.5

L1 I-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 D-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 T-Cache : ----
L1 Cache : ----
L2 Cache : 512K Byte
L2 Speed : 273.80 MHz (Half)

MMX Unit : Supported
SSE Unit : Supported
SSE2 Unit : Not Supported
MMX2 Unit : Not Supported
3DNow! Unit : Not Supported
3DNow!+ Unit : Not Supported

Host Bridge : 8086:7190.03 [Intel 440BX/ZX/DX]
IDE Controller : 8086:7111.01 [Intel 82371AB/EB/MB (PIIX4)]
VGA Device : 1002:4742.5C [ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X]
Memory Size : 384M Byte
Memory Clock : ----

OS Version : Windows 2000 Version 5.00.2195 Service Pack 3
-------------- : -----------------------------------
StdFunc 0 : 00000002 756E6547 6C65746E 49656E69
StdFunc 1 : 00000673 00000000 00000000 0383F9FF
StdFunc 2 : 03020101 00000000 00000000 0C040843
00000017h : 60210000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0000001Bh : 00000000 FEE00100 00000000 00000000
0000002Ah : 00000000 C5080000 00000000 00000000
00000119h : 00000000 00200303 00000000 00000000
0000011Eh : 00000000 01344523 00000000 00000000

##--- Date 10/25/2002, Time 18:29:22

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Intel DOS based v4.61 version of ID Utility:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Processor 550-MHz
System Bus 100 MHz
Processor Type=0
Family=6
Model=7
Stepping=3
Revison=E
Packaging S.E.C.C./S.E.C.C.2
Level2 cache=512KB
Level1 data cache=16KB
Level1 instruction cache=16KB
MMX=Yes
Streaming SIMD Extensions=Yes
Streaming SIMD Extensions 2=No
Net Burst(TM) microarchitecture=No

On this system all 3 reporting methods are close enough for reporting purposes.

I have training on Monday/Tuesday so will not be able to get out and check the ones reporting as Celeron until middle of next week.


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-26 03:55 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

so, you have tried the processor udf out there in lib?
it's not perfect but somewhat goodie...


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-10-26 07:27 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Have not tried it for a while, as it gave invalid results on too many systems as well. They were supposed to look at fixing it, but the issue as Ruud says, is much more complex then that.

PRandal
(Fresh Scripter)
2002-10-28 09:11 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Intel's processor identification guide is here

The last revision is dated May 2002, and should tell you all you need to know for identifying Intel processors. AMD has a similar doc for tyhere processoerd.


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-10-28 09:37 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

so, have would you script or program that intel stuff?
amd processor as far as I know is easy to identify from registry by reading 2 reg values.

intel does not identify it's processors but leaves that to end user/system.

anyway, creating a table which includes all possibilities (huge!) gives the correct result but, I quess we also have a problem with the processor speed stuff?

I've thought that the value readable from reg is enough but seems that it ain't...


Les
(KiX Master)
2002-10-28 10:12 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Guys,
May I remind you that this is the beta forum and discussions should remain pertinent.

Please take the conversation to the General Discussions or Scripts forum.

Jooel,
You as moderator should be setting the example.


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-11-01 02:18 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Ruud,

Here is some more sample data in the case of a Compaq Armada laptop.

KiXtart 2001 4.12 Beta 2
Reports this Compaq Armada M700 laptop as:
Intel Pentium Celeron 399MHz

[ WCPUID Version 3.1 (c) 1996-2002 By H.Oda! ]
Reports it as:
code:
  Processor #1 : Intel Mobile Pentium II / 5C2BCB8C
Platform : Mobile Module
Vendor String : GenuineIntel
CPU Type : Original OEM Processor (0)
Family : 6 (-)
Model : 6 (-)
Stepping ID : 13 (-)
Brand : ----
APIC : ----
Name String : ----

Internal Clock : 399.12 MHz
System Bus : 66.52 MHz
System Clock : 66.52 MHz
Multiplier : 6.0

L1 I-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 D-Cache : 16K Byte
L1 T-Cache : ----
L1 Cache : ----
L2 Cache : 256K Byte
L2 Speed : 399.12 MHz (Full)

MMX Unit : Supported
SSE Unit : Not Supported
SSE2 Unit : Not Supported
MMX2 Unit : Not Supported
3DNow! Unit : Not Supported
3DNow!+ Unit : Not Supported

Host Bridge : 8086:7190.03 [Intel 440BX/ZX/DX]
IDE Controller : 8086:7111.01 [Intel 82371AB/EB/MB (PIIX4)]
VGA Device : 1002:4C4D.64 [ATI 3D Rage Family]
Memory Size : 192M Byte
Memory Clock : ----

OS Version : Windows 2000 Version 5.00.2195 Service Pack 2
-------------- : -----------------------------------
StdFunc 0 : 00000002 756E6547 6C65746E 49656E69
StdFunc 1 : 0000066D 00000000 00000000 0183F9FF
StdFunc 2 : 03020101 00000000 00000000 0C040842
00000017h : 04B40000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0000001Bh : 00000000 FEE00100 00000000 00000000
0000002Ah : 00000000 46C00020 00000000 00000000
00000119h : 00000000 0000031C 00000000 00000000
0000011Eh : 00000000 0134252B 00000000 00000000

##--- Date 10/31/2002, Time 17:10:41



LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-11-01 07:24 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

doc, could you also check with the rc1?
as far as I know it has issued at least pentium III...


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2002-11-01 07:35 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Okay... I'll try to get the laptop back again for another test.

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2002-11-01 07:54 AM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

on my armada everything is good but the processor just isn't mobile, so can't test myself.

MCA
(KiX Supporter)
2002-11-30 01:55 PM
Re: KiXtart 4.12 beta2

Dear NTDOC,

Did you try also the tool CPU-Z. It seems more accurate.
An example of celeron processor is:









Cpu-Z version 1.15.



Number of CPUs1























Cpu NameIntel Celeron (Tualatin)
SpecificationIntel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1300MHz
Family / Model / Stepping6 B 1
Extended Family / Model0 0
Brand ID3
PackageSocket 370 FC-PGA2
Core SteppingtA1
Technology0.13µ
Supported Instructions SetsMMX, SSE
Cpu Clock1312.9 MHz
Clock multiplierx 13.0
Front Side Bus Frequency101.0 MHz
Bus Speed101.0 MHz
L1 Data Cache16 Kbytes, 4-way set associative, 32 bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache16 Kbytes, 4-way set associative, 32 bytes line size
L2 Cache256 Kbytes, 8-way set associative, 32 bytes line size
L2 Latency1
L2 Speed1312.9 MHz (Full)
L2 LocationOn Chip
L2 ECC Checkenabled
L2 Data Prefetch Logicyes
L2 Bus Width256 bits









Motherboard manufacturerASUSTeK Computer INC.
Motherboard modelTUSL2-C, REV 1.xx
BIOS vendorAward Software, Inc.
BIOS revisionASUS TUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1012
BIOS release date05/10/2002
ChipsetIntel i815/E/EP rev. B
SouthbridgeIntel 82801BA (ICH2) rev. 5
Sensor chipAsus ?









RAM TypeSDRAM
RAM Size 512 Mb
RAM Frequency101.0 MHz
CAS# Latency2.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS#2 clocks
RAS# Precharge2 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS)7 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (TRC)9 clocks





AGP Statusenabled, rev. 2.0
AGP Data Transfert Rate4x
AGP Side Band Addressingsupported, enabled
AGP Aperture Size64 Mb


Windows versionMicrosoft Windows Me


greetings.

btw: you can find this tool on the site www.cpuid.com